Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
Perhaps, but I think that Li-ion would have happened anyway, and the NIMH fiasco really slowed things. And I don’t think that was Toyota’s blame - it was the intellectual holders of the patents. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 19, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > >> >> The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. > > Perhaps, but it does seem to have encouraged the use of LiIon batteries > instead, for EVs, which is a far better technology. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 7:31 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: In all this discussion...I don't think I saw using a car + small 4x8 or 5x8 utility trailer mentioned... An excellent point, Haudy. A trailer is obviously a good work-around if your car/truck can't handle what you need to carry. Haudy's post did not make it to me. I've done quite a bit of towing with EVs. I think the area is most important; a small trailer might cost as little as 5% of range. The teardrop was more like 25-30%. The big sacks were short hauls where range reduction was of no concern. This post mostly concerns a recent 600 mile one day trip hauling a very small trailer empty and with two different loads of near 1,000 pounds. At the end of the post is an a link to an album that covers 6-8 years. https://wmckemie.blogspot.com/2020/06/pulling-unlicensed-unlighted-trailer-at.html ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project
Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote: In all this discussion...I don't think I saw using a car + small 4x8 or 5x8 utility trailer mentioned... An excellent point, Haudy. A trailer is obviously a good work-around if your car/truck can't handle what you need to carry. It's less desirable, for the reasons you stated (parking, backing up, where to store it when not in use). But it becomes your only option when you can't get the vehicle you really needed for the job. Or, a related solution is to rent a truck. That's why U-Haul etc. are in business. In my own case, I've been single for most of my life; so I didn't need a 4-passenger vehicle. But I did haul "stuff" on a routine basis; so a small truck or van was always my ideal solution. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EV truck or hauler
Hi folks I read here that VW might come out with a small Ford Ranger type truck but currently made of Unobtanium. It looks like there’s a hybrid RAV4 that has some towing capacity for my 1600lb boat/trailer and could get a utility trailer as someone mentioned for truck mode. When I asked the great god Google about towing capacity on EVs, hybrids, I didn’t see any. The Prius Prime looked like it would do 1600lb towing in Europe but was withdrawn for the US market for some reason. The usual suspects like the Bolt, Leaf, Kona etc don’t show *any* towing capacity. Maybe they don’t want the range to drop in half and folks start whining. I’d like a small truck EV or hybrid but a car EV or hybrid would do that could pull my lightweight H20 ski aluminum boat 1600lbs. Any suggestions ? My current Ranger is gas and getting old. I have a Spark, Leaf and a Prius but *none* show any towing capacity. Have a renewable energy day Mark in Roanoke VA Reevadiy.org volunteer RE & EV club Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba
Little over $3000.00 includes shipping + duty+taxes etc - Original Message - From: Peter VanDerWal via EV Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba Did he ever say how much it cost him to ship it? I'm guessing as much or more than the retail price. June 19, 2020 2:22 AM, "evln via EV" wrote: > already posted 6/12, read > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest > 60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200619/bd244c95/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LRR Tires: Research tips?
Hmmm...I'm not a car guy, but isn't the point of the large diameter wheels for low profile tires for high speed cornering? In a racing car, as you go around the corner, the sidewalls flex because of the centrifugal force that they must transport to the car By using low profile tires and making the wheels larger, you keep the same diameter, but the shorter sidewall makes the overall flex, less. I thought that was the original point for racing tires anyway. -- If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 8:50:15 AM PDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Oversize wheels are a styling gimmick. Once the wheels are big enough to > clear the brakes, making them larger has no > practical value that I can see. They only add unsprung mass and inertia. > They decrease the vehicle's efficiency, and possibly its handling and > comfort, for no real return. > > Most of the fancy wheels are worse in their aerodynamic qualities, too, and > more expensive to replace if they're damaged. From a purely functional standpoint, larger wheels do indeed increase losses. They are heavier, and have more wind resistance. Remember that the top of a tire is moving forward at *twice* the speed of the car itself, which greatly magnifies the effect of its aerodynamic drag. Larger tires can reduce rolling resistance (all other things being equal); but that's normally only important at low speeds. The trouble is, other things are *not* equal; larger tires tend to use wider tread and stiffer sidewalls, which increase the othe losses. I remember reading about the arguments Paul MacReady had with the GM styists about the EV-1. He wanted small skinny tires for efficiency; they wanted big "macho" tires. They wound up having Michelin develop a special tire. I also talked to Bob McKee (the famous race car designer). When he designed his Sundancer (famous for a 150 mph range and 70 mph top speed on just twelve 6v golf cart batteries), he tested tires to find the optimum size. He found that a *small* diameter tire had the best compromise between efficiency and handling (he paid no attention at all to appearance). I think the main reasons for large wide tires are, a) styling (looks like a race car), b) sell for higher prices (more profit), c), improved handling on smooth dry roads (like a racetrack). Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200619/9c3e728b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 12:34 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. Perhaps, but it does seem to have encouraged the use of LiIon batteries instead, for EVs, which is a far better technology. Well, I think it is a mistake to deliberately hold back a practical solution today, on the basis that *maybe* something better will be developed in the future... by someone else. It's a bit like the Big Bad Wolf saying to the Three Little Pigs, "I blew down your house to inspire you to build a better one." But his real reason is to *kill* the pigs. Lee, I'm going to quit trying to express myself! You do it FAR better than I can! ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. Perhaps, but it does seem to have encouraged the use of LiIon batteries instead, for EVs, which is a far better technology. Well, I think it is a mistake to deliberately hold back a practical solution today, on the basis that *maybe* something better will be developed in the future... by someone else. It's a bit like the Big Bad Wolf saying to the Three Little Pigs, "I blew down your house to inspire you to build a better one." But his real reason is to *kill* the pigs. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 11:57 AM, e...@vanderwal.us wrote: The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. Perhaps, but it does seem to have encouraged the use of LiIon batteries instead, for EVs, which is a far better technology. NiMH is perhaps twice as "good" as lead in energy density. FAR better in terms of longevity and reliability. Had development and use not been restricted, NiMH could well be competitive with lithium today. Whatever the future might have held for NiMH, we will never know; GM denied EVs the use of NiMH and EVs were lead for TEN LONG YEARS until lithium was well developed. I contend that justifies a deep distrust of GM and other ICE manufacturers. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LRR Tires: Research tips?
It's all relative. Relative to the road the bottom of the wheel is in fact /almost/ stationary. There is a tiny bit of slip, depending on whether it's a driven wheel or not. Obviously if there is a lot of relative motion between the road surface and the bottom of the tire, then you've lost all your traction. Don't forget, the tire is ROTATING. That means that relative to a fixed point (like the road) every part of the circumferece of the tire is moving in a different direction at different relative velocities. > axle is moving at 1x, then the bottom of the tire would have to be standing > still. But we all know > that it isn't, the entire tire is moving forward at 1x. that can't be true > either or else the road > would need to be moving at 1x also or else the tire would be skidding, but > it's not. This must be > what some of those advanced math courses I never took were all about. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] (Fwd) Factory 1997 Chevy S10 EV Manuals (EV1 Drivetrain)
Are there any public Magne chargers left? Unless you only plan on charging it at home, I think you'd be better off switching to a J1772 charge port. You might even be able to hack it into the existing charger. > Now the car is mine and I need a new pack for it :) Debating the tradeoffs > between keeping the Magne Charge capability functional (the truck came with > 2 large paddle wall units) while putting in batteries that will give the car > more range and kick. > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
> The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. Perhaps, but it does seem to have encouraged the use of LiIon batteries instead, for EVs, which is a far better technology. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba
Did he ever say how much it cost him to ship it? I'm guessing as much or more than the retail price. June 19, 2020 2:22 AM, "evln via EV" wrote: > already posted 6/12, read > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest > 60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html > > -- > Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 9:40 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: What an incredibly negative and blanket statement, and in my humble opinion, false. Let’s start with the RAV4-EV that still is popular despite battery packs that are past their useful life. Not only did this vehicle meet the needs of many in the EV community, it exceeded them. Many of us that wanted them couldn’t get them. And despite being expensive to start with, several years after release, these cars were being sold at prices *significantly* above their brand new price. You make my case. The RAV4EV was a great car. I've tried to buy one in Texas. I guess you are aware that there was insufficient supply because Toyota refused to supply most of the country and because Toyota refused to produce volume to satisfy demand in the areas where RAV4EVs were sold? Do I need to continue? I suppose so. Frankly, if your statement were true, there would be no EV market today. Yes, Tesla has sparked a lot of interest and moved the industry miles ahead, but even without, vehicles were being developed, produced and sold that met the needs of some. And only because those vehicles met the needs of at least some. You minimize what Tesla has done. And I haven’t even yet mentioned the “other” EV, fuel cell electric vehicles. We’ve had three in our family, all from an ICE manufacturer, which have met *our* needs, and I just replaced one with another because I liked it so much. My wife is ready for a new car, and she will replace the one she has (and has loved), with one of the two flavors of EVs, and whichever flavor she chooses, it will almost assuredly be produced by an ICE manufacturer. Producing tiny numbers of fool cell cars is a strategy used by ICE manufacturers to divert consumer attention from practical EVs. Thereby postponing the time when they will be forced to produce practical EVs. The most egregious strategy was denying the NiMH battery to BEVs. History has told us it is a very big mistake to expect an ICE manufacturer to fulfill any needs of the EV community. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] (Fwd) Factory 1997 Chevy S10 EV Manuals (EV1 Drivetrain)
Here's a message that the listserver seems to have somehow lost: - Hey folks, I recently acquired a factory made Chevy S10 EV (with the EV1 powertrain). I am looking for any and all manuals+software for this car. I have nothing besides an owner's manual. The car is from 1997, originally had Lead Acids. Around 2003 or so the pack was swapped for NiMH by EV Bones in Colorado. Car has been sitting since 2007 Now the car is mine and I need a new pack for it :) Debating the tradeoffs between keeping the Magne Charge capability functional (the truck came with 2 large paddle wall units) while putting in batteries that will give the car more range and kick. Please share any info and ideas you mad have! Best, William --- End of forwarded message --- David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: - Type: application/octet-stream Size: 676 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200619/a71615d7/attachment.obj> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: - Type: application/octet-stream Size: 840 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200619/a71615d7/attachment-0001.obj> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
What an incredibly negative and blanket statement, and in my humble opinion, false. Let’s start with the RAV4-EV that still is popular despite battery packs that are past their useful life. Not only did this vehicle meet the needs of many in the EV community, it exceeded them. Many of us that wanted them couldn’t get them. And despite being expensive to start with, several years after release, these cars were being sold at prices *significantly* above their brand new price. Do I need to continue? Frankly, if your statement were true, there would be no EV market today. Yes, Tesla has sparked a lot of interest and moved the industry miles ahead, but even without, vehicles were being developed, produced and sold that met the needs of some. And only because those vehicles met the needs of at least some. And I haven’t even yet mentioned the “other” EV, fuel cell electric vehicles. We’ve had three in our family, all from an ICE manufacturer, which have met *our* needs, and I just replaced one with another because I liked it so much. My wife is ready for a new car, and she will replace the one she has (and has loved), with one of the two flavors of EVs, and whichever flavor she chooses, it will almost assuredly be produced by an ICE manufacturer. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > History has told us it is a very big mistake to expect an ICE manufacturer to > fulfill any needs of the EV community. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 9:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Well, I admit Tesla's truck is closer than I thought. But it can't hold full sheets - too short Personally, I'm fine with an 6' bed + 2' tailgate. I realize that some people who carry drywall need it fully enclosed under a camper top or cover, but I'm a "fair weather hauler". Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
On 6/19/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Well, I admit Tesla's truck is closer than I thought. But it can't hold full sheets - too short (I don't know the width). And, if Tesla were to extend the bed, the vehicle would get crazy long. The advantage of the minivan is I take the seats out when I haul stuff. So, it becomes a two-seater with an 8' interior bed. And I can still find parking in the city :) Perhaps Tesla will make a minivan on the same skateboard. Of course, the CyberTruck is not in production and is "a work in progress". I think Bruce has recently posted some stuff about a proposal to make the front load area bulkhead fold into the cabin area. I believe that would make possible full sheets in the expanded load area as well as a climate controlled sleeping area. Anyway, that's my recollection. There are several commercial ICE vans on the market which are pretty close in function to the old-style minivan. For example, the Ram ProMaster City (28 MPG highway) https://www.caranddriver.com/ram/promaster-city which also has an option for a 2nd row of seats, though I don't know if they'r removable. If this becomes available as an EV it might fill my niche very well. History has told us it is a very big mistake to expect an ICE manufacturer to fulfill any needs of the EV community. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
Well, I admit Tesla's truck is closer than I thought. But it can't hold full sheets - too short (I don't know the width). And, if Tesla were to extend the bed, the vehicle would get crazy long. The advantage of the minivan is I take the seats out when I haul stuff. So, it becomes a two-seater with an 8' interior bed. And I can still find parking in the city :) Perhaps Tesla will make a minivan on the same skateboard. There are several commercial ICE vans on the market which are pretty close in function to the old-style minivan. For example, the Ram ProMaster City (28 MPG highway) https://www.caranddriver.com/ram/promaster-city which also has an option for a 2nd row of seats, though I don't know if they'r removable. If this becomes available as an EV it might fill my niche very well. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: e...@vanderwal.us To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 18-Jun-20 7:08:13 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project Seems like a Cybertruck meets all of your requirements (assuming Tesla delivers on it as advertised) Although it's not a van, I'll bet someone comes up with something like a camper shell for it. Easiest to reiterate my case. I want a high clearance vehicle for forest service roads. Also need a lot of range since there's no opportunity to charge, in some cases, for nearly the entire round trip which can be over 200 miles. In addition, if I do another real estate investment soon (likely) I'll need a "construction" van. Gary, your van could work for construction. But it doesn't meet the long range or high clearance part (or driving on freeways). So, I would need a second vehicle with those attributes plus enough room to carry 4 people and 4 large backpacks and a bit of other stuff. That would be two fairly large vehicles. However, I'd like to move to owning one car, rather than two. If I do that, my car needs to meet all these requirements. (And, no, I can't rent a vehicle each time I go hiking or to other activities in the mountains. Rental companies don't allow that use, plus it's a lot of overhead for an already very long day.) I agree with the principle of buying a car that fits most of your needs and finding something else for the few times it doesn't ... if that works. Peri ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVs bring $10,000 in life-saving benefits
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New study: Every electric car brings $10,000 in life-saving benefits
Jun. 3rd 2020 ... -Converting all cars and SUVs in the area into electric
vehicles would cause 313 fewer deaths per year, an estimated social benefit
of $2.4 billion -Converting all transport trucks to more efficient models
would cause 275 fewer deaths, an estimated social benefit of $2.1 billion
-Converting all transit systems to electric buses would cause 143 fewer
deaths, an estimated social benefit of $1.1 billion ...
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How to Make Your Electric Car More Than Just a Car
June 3, 2020 EVs could one day be part of the whole electric ecosystem may
make them more interesting to buyers ... Home-to-car connection systems
could even let an EV work as a temporary generator to power a house during a
blackout. ... the capability to connect electric cars to the grid, where
users could actually generate income by providing energy storage ...
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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Is this Last Mile for the Million-Mile Battery? Or the First?
also read already posted http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Tesla-s-upcoming-battery-day-v-tp4697402.html -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba
already posted 6/12, read http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest-60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html -- Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
