Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
For the prototype, it uses electricity from the grid. In production, it could power itself - or not. The inventors proposed a portable, truck mounted system that could be taken to various sites, so they are mostly thinking of self powered. I don't know the amount of energy required to produce

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
ng uncharacteristically overoptimistic, and I could > > > certainly > > > be wrong, but I think that what CDs did to LPs by 1995 is what EVs are > > > poised to do to ICEVs now - if politicians will let them. True hybrids > > > may > > > still have a

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Bill Dennis via EV
to do to ICEVs now - if politicians will let them. True hybrids > > may > > still have a place, but I think (and hope) not for much longer. > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > > offlist address here : ht

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 May 2021 at 12:35, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > If future true carbon neutral is "handwaving", then I'd love to hear your > proposal for long-distance air travel? What have you got? Sorry if I offended, I didn't mean to. What I mean by hand-waving (though this definition is a bit rough):

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 May 2021 at 18:30, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I've seen a prototype reactor (high pressure, high temp, with a > catalyst) I'm all for snagging energy from the waste stream, but pressure and heat require energy input. Where will it come from? And how does that input compare with the

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Larry Gales via EV
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Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 May 2021 at 14:38, Jim Walls via EV wrote: > I heat my house, make hot water, and cook (except for the microwave) > with natural gas.  I can do all that for less than electric heating one room > part time.  I'm in no hurry to move away from natural gas for making heat. I have two reactions

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
This is, and I think, will be changing. Technology moves forward. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 9, 2021, at 10:18 AM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > May 8, 2021 10:10 AM, "(-Phil-) via EV" wrote: > >> From what research I've done, I believe BioFuels are a

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Jim Walls via EV
On 05/09/2021 12:37, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote (in part): My case in point is over the last couple of years we have switched from natural gas for heating and cooking. It was the pandemic and we drove much less but with the use of electric space heaters, induction cooking, heat pump clothes

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Larry Gales via EV
but I think (and hope) not for much longer. > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > > > = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Biofuels don't have to be made from crops. We have an enormous waste stream with high carbon content. Imagine a process to convert that into methane and oil, which could then be reused to produce virgin plastic. Or fuel jet planes. I seem to recall that Brazil

[EVDL] The state of EV's 1890 to 1922

2021-05-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
> Im reading "The Electric car in America 1890 - 1922" and throughout, > it prints articles (mostly ads) claiming 35, 50 and 100 mile ranges but NONE > of > those were made under peer review condition. Throughout, the real > honest reporting concluded over and over again, that about 20-25 miles

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
 No transition fuel needed. As people who use energy realize the cost factor fossil fuel will die and renewables will thrive. My case in point is over the last couple of years we have switched from natural gas for heating and cooking. It was the pandemic and we drove much less but with the use

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Biofuels don't have to be made from crops. We have an enormous waste stream with high carbon content. Imagine a process to convert that into methane and oil, which could then be reused to produce virgin plastic. Or fuel jet planes. I've seen a prototype reactor (high pressure, high temp, with

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Willie via EV
On 5/9/21 12:00 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: Advantages of this system: Less resources used for batteries (vs BEVs) Less resources used for ICE generators (vs Hybrids) Better vehicle efficiency for normal (non-extended use) since you'll be carrying around less weight All of which

Re: [EVDL] Energy Improvements ...

2021-05-09 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
Was not linear. A full 50% of that battery improvement was in the last year. And the 20-to-1 improvement turned a 1900's 20 mile car into a very practical 400 mile car Bob On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 7:47 PM Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > For what it is worth, I

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
> Finally, a BEV is mechanically much simpler and at least theoretically more > reliable than an ICEV, let alone a hybrid with the complexity of both. I > haven't run the numbers, but intuitively, manufacturing a BEV has to be less > carbon intensive than manufacturing a hybrid, and it should have

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
May 8, 2021 10:10 AM, "(-Phil-) via EV" wrote: > From what research I've done, I believe BioFuels are a better stop gap than > H2. Perhaps some day this will be true. However, the major 'biofuel' we produce in the USA is ethanol and numerous studies indicates that the way we produce ethanol

Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I don’t remember the technology. The switch from H2 to gasoline and back was seamless. It was never made available to the public. It was only for technology demonstrations. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 9, 2021, at 1:57 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > Ah. Direct

[EVDL] NYT EV primer

2021-05-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] opinion article on hydrogen

2021-05-09 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Ah. Direct injection H2. (Essentially a Diesel engine running hydrogen.) Thus, the low octane (MON) doesn't matter. Most definitely not a converted vehicle. 100 of these vehicles produced in total. This beast got only 16.9 MPG on gas, 4.7 MPG on H2. On 5/9/2021 3:07 PM, Mark Abramowitz via