Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
I appreciate the malware forewarning.
So, I booted up in Linux (pclinuxos64-lxde-2014.04), where a Windows
malware has no affect.
Whether I opened the URL (below) in a Firefox or Opera (Linux-version)
browser, neither had a malware warning (no need since I was not
operating in Windows).
I opened the view image of a white sedan EV pulling a green low slung
trailer (which looked like the green back-shell of a mutant ninja turtle
laying face down on wheels).
Here is the image's direct URL (which Firefox-30.0 Windows-version
browser still has a malware warning on):
http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=imageid=315432
{brucedp.150m.com}
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014, at 09:33 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
FireFox is more specific:
This Website is known to distribute malware
with the selection to get out or to ignore warning.
Since I knew it was a simple photo uploaded by someone I trust,
I clicked on ignore and was able to see it, but it is good to
heed such warnings that certain *sites* are known to drop
malware on unsuspecting visitors.
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Grasser
via EV
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:07 AM
To: 'EVDL Administrator'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
http://imagebin.org/315432
Be warned, Chrome says this link has malware.
Mark Grasser
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Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders
for
the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials
and
spectators.
A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your
EV's
daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it.
The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer.
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Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
On 9 Jul 2014 at 14:59, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: just put a battery pack in the trailer and a motor on the wheel, a simple relay to turn the motor on and as your EV becomes discharged ... Push your EV with the range extender trailer and use regenerative braking of your EV to charge your EV Pack. I'm no expert, but this plan sounds kind of lossy. There are also all kinds of twitchy vehicle dynamics involved in pusher trailers. Check the archives; it's been discussed here. IMO it's more direct and practical to use a battery or genset in the trailer, connected via cable to the vehicle. If the aux battery matches the main battery in voltage and chemistry, you can just parallel it. Otherwise you'll need some kind of DC:DC and regulation scheme, which adds to the complexity. The battery trailer is a proven scheme. Team New England's Solectria Force ran one for 3 years (1999-2002) in the Tour de Sol. I seem to recall some controversy over where it fit into the rules because of the trailer. But they won the range prize at least one year. http://imagebin.org/315432 Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders for the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials and spectators. A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your EV's daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it. The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
http://imagebin.org/315432 Be warned, Chrome says this link has malware. Mark Grasser Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders for the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials and spectators. A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your EV's daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it. The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Hi Mark and All, There is no reason a RE trailer is needed, just use a trailer hitch mount can hold up to a 250lb generator. One thing not mentioned is the generator. A single phase AC is very likely to burn up from PF/peak amps reasons. You need either a 3ph AC or a DC generator. I prefer making my own using go cart racing engines which are low cost, lightweight, easy to find hotrod parts and have stock carbs that run on ethanol, methanol, propane or NG. By hotrodding them you get more power/lb and can make them lower emissions. The common 6hp, 200cc one can easily do 10-12hp . It with it's alt only weighs 45lbs giving 9kw or so when done.. I'm experimenting with building my own 3ph alternator from E tek magnet rings and making my own stator coils. The magnet ring discs are on the shaft and the stator is bolted to the engine block making it very lightweight. These are call 'axial flux alternators' with lots of vids, etc on the web though mostly for wind generator which I'm also doing as dead easy to make.. Another is find a 3ph small generator and modify it. Now with the DC charging ports on production EV's this might be a business for someone. Since few will ever need them but eases their EV range fears and allows the EV for the only car deleting the need for a second gasoline car in many cases and broadening the EV market many x's to people who wouldn't consider one. Jerry Dycus On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:07 AM, Mark Grasser via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://imagebin.org/315432 Be warned, Chrome says this link has malware. Mark Grasser Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders for the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials and spectators. A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your EV's daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it. The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140710/e5c204f7/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
On 10 Jul 2014 at 9:07, Mark Grasser via EV wrote: http://imagebin.org/315432 Be warned, Chrome says this link has malware. I did a view-source just now, and saw nothing untoward. However, I use noscript ... Google has this to say about Imagebin. https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=imagebin.org/ Imagebin doesn't require signup, so my guess is that periodically (frequently?) someone manages to post something contaminated. I didn't upload anything like that, of course, so just viewing the page I gave you should be fine. If you're concerned, though, here's the image on evdl.org : http://evdl.org/images/olaf_bleck_superforce_web.png David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
On 10 Jul 2014 at 6:30, jerry freedomev via EV wrote: I prefer making my own using go cart racing engines which are low cost, lightweight, easy to find hotrod parts and have stock carbs that run on ethanol, methanol, propane or NG. By hotrodding them you get more power/lb and can make them lower emissions. With all due respect, I'm skeptical that these engines can even approach the emissions in g/mi of a modern microprocessor-controlled ICE. They're not designed to be clean. IIRC small engines are especially notorious for NOx emissions. I don't see the benefit in driving an EV M-F and add an ICE range extender to it on the weekend, if the range extender's emissions are 10x that of the ICEV I'm replacing - or more. IMO it's better to own an EV, and rent a small ICEV for those longer trips; or take mass transit, if it's available. It's also going to be more comfortable and quieter. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: I don't see the benefit in driving an EV M-F and add an ICE range extender to it on the weekend, if the range extender's emissions are 10x that of the ICEV I'm replacing - or more. IMO it's better to own an EV, and rent a small ICEV for those longer trips; or take mass transit, if it's available. It's also going to be more comfortable and quieter. I agree that the pollution from a small engine is many times worse than any emission-controlled automobile engine. However, small 4-cycle engines can be converted to run on propane or natural gas. In this form, they are far cleaner than when running on gasoline -- clean enough that they are often used indoors in fork lifts, floor sweepers, etc. I think the real key is going to be how *often* you use this range extender. If it's only used for 1% of your miles driven, the total pollution it produces will still be less than driving an emission-controlled ICE. But if you find yourself using it for 10% or more of the miles driven, then you'd be better off (emission-wise) to use an ICE. Another point: These small engines are usually designed for *very* short operating lives. You'll wear them out very quickly if used for hours a day. -- An engineer can do for a nickel what any damn fool can do for a dollar. -- Henry Ford -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Regarding the trick dynamics of pusher trailers, the are several pusher trailers made from front wheel drive subcompact cars and their builder reported there were no tricky dynamics in their thousands of miles of driving experience. and they also used the regenerative brake system to charge the main battery pack enroute. *Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:28 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 9 Jul 2014 at 14:59, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: just put a battery pack in the trailer and a motor on the wheel, a simple relay to turn the motor on and as your EV becomes discharged ... Push your EV with the range extender trailer and use regenerative braking of your EV to charge your EV Pack. I'm no expert, but this plan sounds kind of lossy. There are also all kinds of twitchy vehicle dynamics involved in pusher trailers. Check the archives; it's been discussed here. IMO it's more direct and practical to use a battery or genset in the trailer, connected via cable to the vehicle. If the aux battery matches the main battery in voltage and chemistry, you can just parallel it. Otherwise you'll need some kind of DC:DC and regulation scheme, which adds to the complexity. The battery trailer is a proven scheme. Team New England's Solectria Force ran one for 3 years (1999-2002) in the Tour de Sol. I seem to recall some controversy over where it fit into the rules because of the trailer. But they won the range prize at least one year. http://imagebin.org/315432 Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders for the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials and spectators. A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your EV's daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it. The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140710/21c29871/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
The pusher trailer is, by far, the best solution. They are also relatively cheap to build. Run great with little trouble. No handling difficulties. Low pollution. You can even run a diesel on biodiesel, if you can find a clean front clip from a Golf TDI in the bone yard for a reasonable price. http://www.evconvert.com/article/ev-pusher http://www.evalbum.com/304 http://www.evalbum.com/753 Most all of the old timers remember Mr. Sharky. A very clever EVer indeed. Generator trailers have to be HUGE, expensive, and they often are very polluting. It takes at least a 10 kW generator to run your EV, which, don't forget, must also haul the generator trailer. (Yes, 10 kW. No, a smaller generator won't work at highway speed. Trust me, I've tried it.) About 1.5 times the juice of the car alone. A trailer adds an _astounding_ amount of drag. The noise the cheap generators emit completely ruins the EV experience. Battery trailers are also huge, and expensive. Bill Dube' ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
FireFox is more specific: This Website is known to distribute malware with the selection to get out or to ignore warning. Since I knew it was a simple photo uploaded by someone I trust, I clicked on ignore and was able to see it, but it is good to heed such warnings that certain *sites* are known to drop malware on unsuspecting visitors. Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Grasser via EV Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:07 AM To: 'EVDL Administrator'; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders http://imagebin.org/315432 Be warned, Chrome says this link has malware. Mark Grasser Yes, that's a kid's sandbox on wheels! The shape reportedly did wonders for the trailer's aerodynamics. It also drew smiles from the TdS officials and spectators. A battery trailer allows you to have a small, light battery for your EV's daily mission, with easily-added optional longer range when you need it. The obvious tradeoff is the awkward maneuvering you get with a trailer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
My Dad bought a used trailer from one of his friends in 1955 which clamped to the back bumper in two locations and had a CASTOR type wheel on a 360 degree swivel, It worked fine. And so many drivers cannot back up a trailer because they have never learned the skill. By the way a longer trailer is easier to back up. And the hitch is 5 ft from the trailer body so when you Jack-Knife you don't hit the trailer body with the back of the towing vehicle. Larry, just put a battery pack in the trailer and a motor on the wheel, a simple relay to turn the motor on and as your EV becomes discharged; (With a 20 ft long wire and a small switch to control the relay and an indicator for state of charge on the remote control box you put in the EV), switch the trailer on! Push your EV with the range extender trailer and use regenerative braking of your EV to charge your EV Pack. No modification to the EV required! Use a J1772 connection to recharge the trailer when convenient. *Dennis Lee Miles * *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Larry Gales via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/97d4f94c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders
Bob, WB4APR, A removable range extender makes a lot of sense, you can have the increased range occasionally and not when it isn't needed, You can use it for a Backup in case of power outage at the home. (Also on Field Day Operations) and still drive the car. And you aren't limited to a Gasoline fueled generator Hybrid. and your car isn't carrying around that Generator and its fuel all the time increasing the electric consumption even on short trips to the store... *Dennis Lee Miles * *( KF4EDU )* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/424059bf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Bob, spell ghrcker screwed up my callsign it is not kf4edu... it IS WF4EYO I really hate spellchecker on automatic but my son likes it and changes the settings... *Dennis Lee Miles * *(KF4EYO)* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, WB4APR, A removable range extender makes a lot of sense, you can have the increased range occasionally and not when it isn't needed, You can use it for a Backup in case of power outage at the home. (Also on Field Day Operations) and still drive the car. And you aren't limited to a Gasoline fueled generator Hybrid. and your car isn't carrying around that Generator and its fuel all the time increasing the electric consumption even on short trips to the store... *Dennis Lee Miles * *( KF4EDU )* *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 %28863%29%20944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/79a652ff/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm -- From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: 'Larry Gales' larry.ga...@gmail.com; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Years ago I was inspired by the Long Ranger to build an electric battery and motor trailer to tow behind a gas car converting it into a hybrid. get 100+ Empg on your everyday commute, and just leave it behind for road trips. about 50 mile range and you idle the ICE, to get all the accessories to work, when your driving with electric, because the trailer is pushing you. The car can be a lease or owned because it is not modified in any way, just a bolt to the frame hitch is the connection. use a connection to the brake lights cuts the pushing and a knob on the remote control (Wired) sets cruising speed. My estimate of battery weight is 400 lb and total for trailer and motor etc is about 1,000 lb which is below, the required weight, mandating, trailer brakes. *Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Terry Forfa via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.evnut.com/rav_longranger.htm -- From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: 'Larry Gales' larry.ga...@gmail.com; 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders If I was in America I would consider making something like that to hire out to Tesla owners. or leaf, Mie v etc -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2014 6:27 a.m. To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ attachments/20140709/929446c9 /attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/4137493a/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Ben A., the problem is with a trailer mounted solar collector is the size of the collector array needed to charve an EV in the eight hours of sunshine during th typical work day. I have seen and heard of using solar carports but , they are about 20 feet by 12 feet, and a large trailer would be required. perhaps four panels about ten by six feet could be stacked on a trailer and assembled for operation, but arranging the panels to the South at an angle of 35 to 45 degrees for best absorption if the sun's light. orientation does effect solar panel output. I would be concerned about theft or vandalism if not securely fenced in also... *Dennis Lee Miles * *E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *evprofes...@evprofessor.com* evprofes...@evprofessor.com *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You're Brilliant!! I've been trying to figure out how to set up a temporary solar array in the parking lot at work so I can charge my 914. I thought about what it would take to build a freestanding structure I could erect in the parking lot and concluded it was a ludicrous idea. It never even occurred to me to build a solar trailer! Of course, I'd still want to find a way to lock it at night... Cheers! -Ben On Jul 9, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, we had a 1-wheel trailer when I was a kid and Dad loved it because he could back with impunity. But you should see how it can launch its entire load into the air when it hits a bump. Also, pulling just a tiny 4'x4' (flat) trailer behind my Prius loses 10 MPG. My trailer is a solar panel array what could NEVER be economical for the power gained compared to the drag. If someone needs a range extender generator, then they simply bought the wrong car. EV's for what EV's were designed for, not for replacing every fool think one can do with gas. Bob, WB4APR -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gales via EV Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:27 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org; SEVA Subject: [EVDL] Trailer type Range extenders Trailer type range extenders, either battery or gasoline powered, always seem to use standard type trailers, where the trailer hitch allows for both vertical and side-to-side motion, and where the hitch is almost as long as the trailer itself. This considerably increases the total length of a vehicle, and makes it very difficult to back up. I wonder if a simpler design would work instead: a very short hitch which allows some up-and-down flexibility, but no side-to-side motion, and where the trailer itself rides on a single swivel wheel. This would significantly reduce the length of the trailer+hitch combination, and should eliminate the problem of backing up. Also, I saw that the BMW i3 has an optional 700 cc gasoline generator to extend the range of the vehicle. I have been unable to find the size and weight of such as engine+generator combination, so let me know if you have that information:. Thanks in advance, -- Larry Gales -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/929446 c9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140709/331594aa/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
