Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted ones. In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and scooters. China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. -Jukka 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic. He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement sources. ] This was a wheely bad idea. A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with criminal trespass. His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption, but no one was hurt, officials said. [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops Aug 15, 2015 [image http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg (mugshot) ] A restaurant delivery person
Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
Very interesting. So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted ones. In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and scooters. China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. -Jukka 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic. He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement sources. ] This was a wheely bad idea. A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with criminal trespass. His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a
Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electric scooter is usually with SLA batteries and weights about 120kg (270 lbs). The electric bicycle is also with SLA and weights about 65kg (147 lbs). Those electric bicycles have also pedals like normal bicycles but they are just for emergency use. One just twist the grip and zip away. No pedaling needed. One can see lighter electric bicycles (20kg/45 lbs) too which have li-ion battery under the cargo rack behind the seat. Sometimes there is actually another padded seat instead cargo rack. It's for one to 8 passengers. XD I think the three wheeled motorcycle-tractor is still the most common vehicle in China just after standard bicycle. -Jukka 2015-08-24 20:13 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Very interesting. So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted ones. In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and scooters. China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. -Jukka 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through
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Got it. Thx. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electric scooter is usually with SLA batteries and weights about 120kg (270 lbs). The electric bicycle is also with SLA and weights about 65kg (147 lbs). Those electric bicycles have also pedals like normal bicycles but they are just for emergency use. One just twist the grip and zip away. No pedaling needed. One can see lighter electric bicycles (20kg/45 lbs) too which have li-ion battery under the cargo rack behind the seat. Sometimes there is actually another padded seat instead cargo rack. It's for one to 8 passengers. XD I think the three wheeled motorcycle-tractor is still the most common vehicle in China just after standard bicycle. -Jukka 2015-08-24 20:13 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Very interesting. So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes. I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted ones. In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3 other family members on it. While this is getting rarer sight in China as many are switching to cars or small three wheeled EVs this still is quite common. Things are changing as they have money for cars. People use electric assisted bicycles in there also because they wish to get around without being in need to change the clothes couple times a day. It get's hot and humidity is high. In this case electric bicycle replaces gasoline scooter/motorcycle which also stink and the smell is on the clothes for the rest of the day. Usually pedals are on those 'bicycles' only for the situation if the battery dies. Depleted or just completely dies. Average food delivery person with bicycle would not be an average Joe or Jane. It takes commitment to the sport. In NYC there are bicycle lanes (right?). So taking scooter/motorcycle there would be illegal. Assisted bicycles are allowed on those lanes (usually) and one can get pretty quickly from point A to B. A hybrid solution which has good things from bicycles and scooters. China has taken leaps towards cleaner transportation and CO2 free electricity generation. Not saying anyone else would not be doing the same but in China case they are trying to avoid mistakes we have done in the past and are going to leave some things undone. This is why I stated what I did. EVs are a standard in China traffic already. More miles are driven in many places with electric bicycles/scooters/etc than with gasoline cars/scooters/motorcycles. They are getting to the broader end of the hockey stick far faster than us. -Jukka 2015-08-23 3:35 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel,
Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
Another significant factor is what an e-bike replaces. If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier. However if it replaces a pedal-only but also replaces 50% of car trips, it is incredibly cleaner. Even if the car is an EV. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-Aug-15 10:41:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery Mark, That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought - cleanliness of any electric use depends on the power generating source. I have 6kW of solar at home - pretty clean. If I charged the light EV pack with a gas generator that would be pretty stinky. Grid power around here is primarily NG from modern plants, so... you can argue about clean there many ways. I could probably cobble together a wood gas generator/generator that would stink, but be carbon neutral. Then there are all the other options. Light EVs are, if nothing, cheap for low income folks, they help the sedentary wealthy get some exercise on short trips - just like the Vermont people noted in recent posts. Light EVs don't waste as much energy because they generally don't go very fast - anything over 12mph has an air drag penalty and 80mph is very inefficient in comparison whatever the source or vehicle. Air drag is the predominant energy wasting pathway. Light EVs make a lot more sense in terms of material efficiency as they don't have to resort to titanium, and aluminum to be lightweight (easily made from recovered scarp and recycled parts). If you want to do a dust to dust comparison. A human is incredibly efficient if you can get sufficient distance and trip time. A few meals of beans and greens will get you a couple hundred miles if you are a hearty and practiced rider. I suspect that is how the vast majority of the millions of EV bike owners are doing it. Someone recently quoted there are 126 million light EVs, bikes scooters, and so on. You can discount the biological miles as not pertinent, but I think the pedal/EV hybrid is a very worth design. Far cleaner than other alternatives for most power sources and use cases. On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/adf987bc/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com wrote: On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is incorrect. I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg. Seriously? Was it properly tuned? Did you drive it at less than wide-open throttle and / or triple-digit speeds? Did you have a thousand-pound sidecar hooked up to it? Or, more simply: what was its official EPA rating? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/e7f34fdc/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Mark, That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought - cleanliness of any electric use depends on the power generating source. I have 6kW of solar at home - pretty clean. If I charged the light EV pack with a gas generator that would be pretty stinky. Grid power around here is primarily NG from modern plants, so... you can argue about clean there many ways. I could probably cobble together a wood gas generator/generator that would stink, but be carbon neutral. Then there are all the other options. Light EVs are, if nothing, cheap for low income folks, they help the sedentary wealthy get some exercise on short trips - just like the Vermont people noted in recent posts. Light EVs don't waste as much energy because they generally don't go very fast - anything over 12mph has an air drag penalty and 80mph is very inefficient in comparison whatever the source or vehicle. Air drag is the predominant energy wasting pathway. Light EVs make a lot more sense in terms of material efficiency as they don't have to resort to titanium, and aluminum to be lightweight (easily made from recovered scarp and recycled parts). If you want to do a dust to dust comparison. A human is incredibly efficient if you can get sufficient distance and trip time. A few meals of beans and greens will get you a couple hundred miles if you are a hearty and practiced rider. I suspect that is how the vast majority of the millions of EV bike owners are doing it. Someone recently quoted there are 126 million light EVs, bikes scooters, and so on. You can discount the biological miles as not pertinent, but I think the pedal/EV hybrid is a very worth design. Far cleaner than other alternatives for most power sources and use cases. On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/adf987bc/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier. I can't help but think this is the perfect being the enemy of the good. Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox, and the average motorcycle pollutes so much less than the average passenger vehicle it's not even funny. If motorcycles were the norm, we wouldn't be in the pickle we're in today. Similarly, full-sized electric motorcycles put both gasoline-powered motorcycles and full-sized electric vehicles to shame -- and two-stroke gas-powered assisted bicycles are even more energy-efficient than full-sized electric motorcycles. And a bicycle with an electric assist? Your stereotypical teenaged girl is going to use more electricity drying her hair in the morning than an electric-assist bicycle is going to use. So, is an electric-assist bicycle somehow dirtier than a bicycle without electric assist? Does that even deserve to be dignified with a response? Anything that's not a full-sized gas-powered single-occupant daily commuter car is a win for the planet. Full-sized electric vehicles are a fantastic replacement...but all the other options should be encouraged as well. And you will not find iany/i powered vehicle friendlier to the environment than an electric-human hybrid. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/2d6f4cd2/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is incorrect. I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen akkuju...@akkujukka.fi wrote: I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic. He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement sources. ] This was a wheely bad idea. A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with criminal trespass. His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption, but no one was hurt, officials said. [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops Aug 15, 2015 [image http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg (mugshot) ] A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers after being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening on an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal trespass, police said. There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who could comment on the charge. [© nydailynews.com] http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland Tunnel by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring orders to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove through the tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW PILOT. Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to take him into custody just inside the exit, he said. The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said. [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered bicycle into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, officials and reports said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey City,
Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
On 08/23/2015 02:49 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com wrote: On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is incorrect. I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg. Seriously? Was it properly tuned? Did you drive it at less than wide-open throttle and / or triple-digit speeds? Did you have a thousand-pound sidecar hooked up to it? I used to ride Kawasaki H-2s. 750 cc, 300-350 pounds as I recall. I VERY rarely got more than 30mpg. It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I could hold it to 50-55 mph. As I recall, a 3.5 gallon tank had to be filled every 100 miles or so. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I don't think keeping up with a bike is a pertinent point. A Model S can't outdo a normal 4 cycle twin under 1000cc.. On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I could hold it to 50-55 mph. Ah...well, I think my point is still proven -- at least, if you amend it to include driving habits. The only full-sized cars that could keep up with your bike aren't even going to have the theoretical possibility of 50 MPG under any conditions -- let alone if they tried to keep up with your bike. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/51763305/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/397e7b62/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I could hold it to 50-55 mph. Ah...well, I think my point is still proven -- at least, if you amend it to include driving habits. The only full-sized cars that could keep up with your bike aren't even going to have the theoretical possibility of 50 MPG under any conditions -- let alone if they tried to keep up with your bike. b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/51763305/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Motorcycles are particularly bad if you look at person miles per gallon, but so many cars are driven solo. None of that is an issue for light EVs.I had a variety of 750's and 850's (4 cycle twins) in the 80's and got no more than 45mpg. On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, John Lussmyer via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is incorrect. I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/f8f19bc3/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Sun Aug 23 12:49:38 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer cou...@casadelgato.com wrote: On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better fuel economy than the best econobox That particular part of your statement is incorrect. I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg. Seriously? Was it properly tuned? Did you drive it at less than wide-open throttle and / or triple-digit speeds? Did you have a thousand-pound sidecar hooked up to it? Was working correctly and well tuned. It was just old. Hmm, just checked my old notes, it was getting 35mpg. Driving at 65mph on the freeway mostly. Many larger bikes, get pretty crappy mileage, and many econobox cars get better mileage than the big bikes. -- Tigers prowl and Dragons soar in my dreams... ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I was referring to human power. Much more efficient. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought - cleanliness of any electric use depends on the power generating source. I have 6kW of solar at home - pretty clean. If I charged the light EV pack with a gas generator that would be pretty stinky. Grid power around here is primarily NG from modern plants, so... you can argue about clean there many ways. I could probably cobble together a wood gas generator/generator that would stink, but be carbon neutral. Then there are all the other options. Light EVs are, if nothing, cheap for low income folks, they help the sedentary wealthy get some exercise on short trips - just like the Vermont people noted in recent posts. Light EVs don't waste as much energy because they generally don't go very fast - anything over 12mph has an air drag penalty and 80mph is very inefficient in comparison whatever the source or vehicle. Air drag is the predominant energy wasting pathway. Light EVs make a lot more sense in terms of material efficiency as they don't have to resort to titanium, and aluminum to be lightweight (easily made from recovered scarp and recycled parts). If you want to do a dust to dust comparison. A human is incredibly efficient if you can get sufficient distance and trip time. A few meals of beans and greens will get you a couple hundred miles if you are a hearty and practiced rider. I suspect that is how the vast majority of the millions of EV bike owners are doing it. Someone recently quoted there are 126 million light EVs, bikes scooters, and so on. You can discount the biological miles as not pertinent, but I think the pedal/EV hybrid is a very worth design. Far cleaner than other alternatives for most power sources and use cases. On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. Warren Buffet Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/6770f3b3/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I agree, but we were talking about China, so I presumed that it wasn't replacing a car. Is that an unlikely assumption? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman pe...@kotatko.com wrote: Another significant factor is what an e-bike replaces. If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier. However if it replaces a pedal-only but also replaces 50% of car trips, it is incredibly cleaner. Even if the car is an EV. Peri -- Original Message -- From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-Aug-15 10:41:45 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery Mark, That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought - cleanliness of any electric use depends on the power generating source. I have 6kW of solar at home - pretty clean. If I charged the light EV pack with a gas generator that would be pretty stinky. Grid power around here is primarily NG from modern plants, so... you can argue about clean there many ways. I could probably cobble together a wood gas generator/generator that would stink, but be carbon neutral. Then there are all the other options. Light EVs are, if nothing, cheap for low income folks, they help the sedentary wealthy get some exercise on short trips - just like the Vermont people noted in recent posts. Light EVs don't waste as much energy because they generally don't go very fast - anything over 12mph has an air drag penalty and 80mph is very inefficient in comparison whatever the source or vehicle. Air drag is the predominant energy wasting pathway. Light EVs make a lot more sense in terms of material efficiency as they don't have to resort to titanium, and aluminum to be lightweight (easily made from recovered scarp and recycled parts). If you want to do a dust to dust comparison. A human is incredibly efficient if you can get sufficient distance and trip time. A few meals of beans and greens will get you a couple hundred miles if you are a hearty and practiced rider. I suspect that is how the vast majority of the millions of EV bike owners are doing it. Someone recently quoted there are 126 million light EVs, bikes scooters, and so on. You can discount the biological miles as not pertinent, but I think the pedal/EV hybrid is a very worth design. Far cleaner than other alternatives for most power sources and use cases. On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes? Sent from my iPhone -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 600-2892 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150823/adf987bc/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089
Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel
against traffic
BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015
[images / Port Authority Police Department
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg
(mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he
rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against
traffic
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg
Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic.
He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement
sources.
]
This was a wheely bad idea.
A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the
Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made
his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday.
Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the
Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly
riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over,
according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo.
Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources,
was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with
criminal trespass.
His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption,
but no one was hurt, officials said.
[© 2015 NYDailyNews.com]
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html
Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops
Aug 15, 2015
[image
http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg
(mugshot)
]
A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers after
being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming traffic in
the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel.
Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and
verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening on
an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday.
Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal trespass,
police said.
There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who could
comment on the charge.
[© nydailynews.com]
http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/
Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland Tunnel
by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015
BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle
through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring orders
to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube.
Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove through the
tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW
PILOT.
Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to take
him into custody just inside the exit, he said.
The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said.
[© 2015 Cliffview Pilot]
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html
Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say
By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015
NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a
Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered bicycle
into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested,
officials and reports said Friday.
Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey City,
ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to Port
Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo.
Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop him, a
source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred.
Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port Authority Police
officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, according
to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as a
precaution after the incident.
The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass.
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Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly the opposite situation in most US cities. Right? The thing to observe here could be how Chinese drive billions of electric miles every day. Now that's something to talk about! BR, Jukka 22.8.2015 22.19 Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti: Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic. He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement sources. ] This was a wheely bad idea. A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with criminal trespass. His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption, but no one was hurt, officials said. [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops Aug 15, 2015 [image http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg (mugshot) ] A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers after being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening on an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal trespass, police said. There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who could comment on the charge. [© nydailynews.com] http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland Tunnel by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring orders to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove through the tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW PILOT. Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to take him into custody just inside the exit, he said. The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said. [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered bicycle into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, officials and reports said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey City, ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to Port Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to
Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea weaving-recklessly the wrongway HT delivery
Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tunnel-article-1.2326089 Deliveryman on electric bike arrested after heading into Holland Tunnel against traffic BY Thomas Tracy / August 14, 2015 [images / Port Authority Police Department http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326088.1439577248!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/tunnel15n-2-web.jpg (mugshot) Yongshun Bu, 44, was arrested by the Port Authority Police when he rode an electric scooter into the westbound Holland Tunnel, weaving against traffic http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2326087.1439577247!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/tunnel15n-1-web.jpg Bu was riding this electric bike through the tunnel, going against traffic. He was making an early morning food delivery, according to law enforcement sources. ] This was a wheely bad idea. A deliveryman on an electric bicycle was arrested after he zipped into the Holland Tunnel against traffic and veered around oncoming cars as he made his way across the Hudson River span, officials said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, and his motorized bike entered the westbound lane at the Manhattan end of the tunnel at 7 p.m. Thursday and was seen recklessly riding around traffic, ignoring signs and verbal instructions to pull over, according to Port Authority spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Bu, who was delivering Chinese food according to law enforcement sources, was ultimately grabbed about 20 yards into the tunnel and charged with criminal trespass. His wrong-way trip through the tunnel caused a short traffic disruption, but no one was hurt, officials said. [© 2015 NYDailyNews.com] http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Food-Delivery-Cyclist-Rushes-Wrong-Way-Through-Holland-Tunnel-Cops-321972742.html Food Delivery Cyclist Rushes Wrong Way Through Holland Tunnel: Cops Aug 15, 2015 [image http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/676*367/81515tunnel.jpg (mugshot) ] A restaurant delivery person apparently disappointed hungry customers after being arrested by police who said he was weaving through oncoming traffic in the wrong lane of the Holland Tunnel. Yongshun Bu, 44, recklessly dodged oncoming traffic, ignored signs and verbal instructions to stop while making a food delivery Friday evening on an electric-powered bicycle, Port Authority police said Saturday. Bu was apprehended at the tunnel exit and charged with criminal trespass, police said. There was no information as to whether Bu had obtained a lawyer who could comment on the charge. [© nydailynews.com] http://cliffviewpilot.com/manhattan-deliveryman-caught-riding-electric-bicycle-through-holland-tunnel/ Manhattan deliveryman caught riding electric bicycle through Holland Tunnel by: Jerry DeMarco August 14, 2015 BEYOND BERGEN: A lower Manhattan deliveryman rode an electric bicycle through the Holland Tunnel last night, skirting traffic and ignoring orders to stop, before officers grabbed him on the New Jersey tube. Yongshun Bu, 44, was delivering food when he “recklessly” drove through the tunnel around 7 p.m., the authority’s Joseph Pentangelo told CLIFFVIEW PILOT. Port Authority tunnel and bridge agents combined with PAPD officers to take him into custody just inside the exit, he said. The tunnel was cleared and checked for safety reasons, Pentangelo said. [© 2015 Cliffview Pilot] http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/lost_deliveryman_rides_wrong-way_into_holland_tunnel_officials_say.html Lost deliveryman rides wrong-way into Holland Tunnel, officials say By Noah Cohen | August 15, 2015 NEW YORK — A Chinese food deliveryman trying to bring an order to a Manhattan address got lost, and ended up riding his electric-powered bicycle into oncoming traffic at the Holland Tunnel before he was arrested, officials and reports said Friday. Yongshun Bu, 44, piloted the bike around traffic coming from Jersey City, ignoring signs and instructions to stop Thursday night, according to Port Authority police spokesman Joe Pentangelo. Workers noticed the wayward biker and waved their hands to stop him, a source told The New York Post. Bu, however, was undeterred. Officials slowed traffic on the New Jersey side before Port Authority Police officer Eric Brozek caught up to Bu about 100 yards into the tube, according to the newspaper. Police deployed a dog to sniff for explosives as a precaution after the incident. The spokesman said Bu was charged with criminal trespass. [© 2015 New Jersey On-Line] [dated] http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-NYPD-busting-and-seizing-escooters-and-ebicycles-tp4676711.html
