Mark Laity-Snyder via EV wrote:
John, YOU ROCK dude!
That is hardcore. I guess it makes sense though if you are living in a city. I
have been out in the sticks for too long and have gotten used to having to
commute.
I also totally agree with our Fearful leader/servant Dave when he says -
John, YOU ROCK dude!
That is hardcore. I guess it makes sense though if you are living in a city. I
have been out in the sticks for too long and have gotten used to having to
commute.
I also totally agree with our Fearful leader/servant Dave when he says - EVs
can be zero energy if you have
There is no such thing as an environmentally friendly "green" automobile. ICEV,
EV or something in between, they are all detrimental to life on earth. Like ice
cream, just pick your favorite flavor and go with it.
>From my perspective of 40 years as a mechanic certified by ASE repairing cars,
These EV naysayers are eternal. They were around when I first started
following EVs around 1967, they were a plague in the 1990s when they
attacked the GM Impact (notably the infamous Carnegie-Mellon lead study),
and they're still spreading their lying, agenda-driven propaganda today.
Well then he’s wrong about solar panels. I went to a talk years back by Steven
Chu who had headed up the department of Energy. Many interesting, candid,
anecdotes, but, specifically, on PV he said how everyone was complaining that
China was competing with us on panels due to low labor costs in
He's definitely interesting to listen to but keep in mind that he is
selling a book or 3. His analysis seems a bit simplistic but makes for
great sound bites.
In one video he claims solar panels will get more expensive due to labor
cost increasing, and according to him you just can't automate
*"Where do you think these idiots get their information about how much
energy it takes to build a car...or the "carbon footprint"? *
I know that people do try hard to put this sort of data in order and
analyze it. In the case of prominent geographers and demographers they have
teams of
I agree - I can’t imagine a huge difference between cars, unless perhaps it is
one of the newer cars that is designed to be low c02 in manufacturing and
highly recyclable. Even then I wonder how much better they are.
Let’s face it, the only ‘green’ car is the one that is not built.
-Steve
>
Where do you think these idiots get their information about how much energy it
takes to build a car...or the "carbon footprint"?
If you are actually trying to measure "energy" you need to be able to isolate
what you are actually measuring.
Where do you draw the line about how much energy
On 1/4/23 1:35 PM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
Just one of the many issues to point out:
On 1/4/2023 12:29 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
The carbon footprint of Teslas
is not good when you correctly factor in the manufacturing footprint.
Do the same calcs for a Gas car - which makes the EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
I am trying to understand if Zeihan has an agenda... what does it take to make
the
unique aluminum alloy that Tesla has crafted to make body parts that are
not steel... certainly the availability of lithium is not
good. Nor is it good for cobalt, or nickel... if
Tesla didn't invent using aluminum and they are not the only ones.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-automotive-aluminum- warriors/
Money is what drives the world. If people are buying EV's they will solve all
the problems to provide a product.
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at
I am trying to understand if Zeihan has an agenda. His expertise is
understanding geography and demographics. Knowing what ingredients go into
making the world go around, and details like, what does it take to make the
unique aluminum alloy that Tesla has crafted to make body parts that are
not
Zeihan seems spot on with most of his information, and I listen to him
often, but he doesn't know everything. He posits that Teslas are only
status symbols and there are superior EVs on the market. The Vinfast SUV
that's somewhere close to 50% the range of a Model Y is telling. I've
spent a lot
Haven’t read the article, but perhaps he assumes virgin aluminum, which is very
energy intensive. However even if virgin aluminum is used, 90% of big scrap
(like car) aluminum is recycled, so that energy is essentially reclaimed out
the back end.
One has to read this kind of stuff very
Zeihan says ICE looks a lot better and leans on the aluminum in the Tesla
bodywork. I wonder about this, but don't know how to evaluate it.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:36 PM John Lussmyer via EV
wrote:
> Just one of the many issues to point out:
>
> On 1/4/2023 12:29 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Just one of the many issues to point out:
On 1/4/2023 12:29 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
The carbon footprint of Teslas
is not good when you correctly factor in the manufacturing footprint.
Do the same calcs for a Gas car - which makes the EV look far better.
That subject is a bit of a troll, but I would like to have some
conversation about whether EVs really make green sense or even profitable
manufacturing sense.
This is a short YouTube video by Peter Zeihan. Entitled
EV's Not-so-little Dirty Secret(s)
https://youtu.be/Qf85EuQKWeQ
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