Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-25 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
You can talk all you want about an NEV but it is basically a car without the speed. An enclosed 3 passenger moped is so much cheaper and practical. Moped license is more valuable since it is one time only and you get to go 5mph faster. Cheaper insurance. They start around $2.000 dollars. No NEV

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-24 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
It’s amazing what civil unrest accomplished in China. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 24, 2021, at 3:14 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > On 24 May 2021 at 11:26, Larry Gales via EV wrote: > >> The smaller you make a gas vehicle, the uglier, noisier, dirtier,

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-24 Thread Larry Gales via EV
Yes, these micro cars, such as the Elf and Tactical Elf are way too expensive, but that is almost certainly due to their limited production. But their advantages in an urban environment in terms of operating cost, quietness, dramatically reduced energy, and traffic/parking space should draw

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 May 2021 at 11:26, Larry Gales via EV wrote: > The smaller you make a gas vehicle, the uglier, noisier, dirtier, they > become . In addition, they are proportionally less efficient. So small gas > vehicles are generally a bad idea: they are responsible for much of the > horrific pollution

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-24 Thread Peter C. Thompson via EV
FWIW, I was in Shanghai about 2 years ago - amazing transformation from ugly and smelly.  All of the motorcycles and 3-wheel delivery vehicles are now electric.  The noise level was dramatically reduced in addition to the smog reduction. So NEVs do indeed have their place, as long as one

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-24 Thread Larry Gales via EV
The smaller you make a gas vehicle, the uglier, noisier, dirtier, they become . In addition, they are proportionally less efficient. So small gas vehicles are generally a bad idea: they are responsible for much of the horrific pollution you see in much of asia. . But electric vehicles downsize

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-23 Thread Jan Steinman via EV
> From: Lawrence Rhodes > > > A moped (tuk tuk style) has the advantage of less cost on insurance and a one > time registration and holds three people. NEV should just die. Yea, here on the rainy west coast, I find a moped saves me time, because I can

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Your comment about golf carts in San Francisco surprises me. Unless it has been recently changed, state law allows them to be driven on public roads only if they are within a short distance (I can’t recall exactly how far - half mile?) of a golf course AND the city has adopted an ordinance

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-23 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
>If NEVs are such a "stoopid" idea, why do you see so many smiling people >driving golf cars around retirement communities? >David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey Because there is no fee in gated communities for golf carts. Large base of used golf carts. 15mph is not a big deal

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-23 Thread Peter VanDerWal via EV
There are only two ways out of my neighborhood. The short way is on a highway with a 55mph speed limit. The long way (adds 6 miles) has a posted speed limit of 45. So technically NEVs would not be a legal way to get to town. On the other hand, I doubt anyone else around here ( including the

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-22 Thread Phil Hochstetler via EV
https://etukusa.com/ Perhaps? On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 5:12 PM Willie McKemie via EV wrote: > Point out some available in US, supported, semi-safe, reliable tuk-tuks, > por favor. > > > On Sat, May 22, 2021, 6:22 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV > wrote: > > > Speed disadvantage. No price advantage

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
If NEVs are such a "stoopid" idea, why do you see so many smiling people driving golf cars around retirement communities? David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-22 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" Sent: 22-May-21 4:04:11 PM Subject: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better Speed disadvantage. No price advan

Re: [EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-22 Thread Willie McKemie via EV
Point out some available in US, supported, semi-safe, reliable tuk-tuks, por favor. On Sat, May 22, 2021, 6:22 PM Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > Speed disadvantage. No price advantage compared to a more functional used > EV. A moped (tuk tuk style) has the advantage of less cost on insurance

[EVDL] NEV is a stoopid idea. Moped is better

2021-05-22 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Speed disadvantage. No price advantage compared to a more functional used EV. A moped (tuk tuk style) has the advantage of less cost on insurance and a one time registration and holds three people. NEV should just die. Lawrence Rhodes ___ Address