Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Most if the rural carriers around here are private vehicles, but in the city, that are the official little usps van things. A number of people do find various RHD cars to use for it. Z On Sunday, March 22, 2015, Glen Hoag via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: From what I have read, Japan raises the taxes on older vehicles to the point that it isn't economic to keep them beyond a certain point. This is also the reason that used JDM (Japanese domestic market) engines find their way to the U.S. I recall seeing a RHD Subaru wagon used as a rural carrier's vehicle a few years back. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2015, at 17:46, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org javascript:; wrote: On 03/22/2015 11:31 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? Here in central Texas, most or perhaps all carriers use their own cars. I think all have converted to right drive. One friend has a wife that is a carrier; I've offered to lend them an EV to try. Route is about 50 miles. She had been using a surplus USPS Jeep. She recently acquired a used Cherokee that had it's origin in Japan. Apparently Japan outlaws vehicles before they become well used; many seem to be parted out and/or exported. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150323/ced02050/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
From what I have read, Japan raises the taxes on older vehicles to the point that it isn't economic to keep them beyond a certain point. This is also the reason that used JDM (Japanese domestic market) engines find their way to the U.S. I recall seeing a RHD Subaru wagon used as a rural carrier's vehicle a few years back. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2015, at 17:46, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 03/22/2015 11:31 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? Here in central Texas, most or perhaps all carriers use their own cars. I think all have converted to right drive. One friend has a wife that is a carrier; I've offered to lend them an EV to try. Route is about 50 miles. She had been using a surplus USPS Jeep. She recently acquired a used Cherokee that had it's origin in Japan. Apparently Japan outlaws vehicles before they become well used; many seem to be parted out and/or exported. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Might be an idea to talk with some of these carriers to determine the range needed for the rural routes. I suspect that many of them travel less than 50 miles per day, which would make a Leaf the perfect vehicle (Bonus point: As I understand it, it can be ordered with right hand drive, as it is classified as a world car) -Tom On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Thos True evpa...@gmail.com wrote: In the rural areas of western Washington that I grew up in, it was not uncommon to see the mail delivery being done with a personal vehicle. The carrier was paid a vehicle stipend, so the more fuel efficient the vehicle, the better for them. I remember more than one using a VW bug back in the 70's. -Tom On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, K O via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO I don't shop where I can't charge. Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:04:00 -0600 From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucksbe Electric? Message-ID: 550b39c0.1090...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150321/e6ff8b4c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/35e8e723/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
In the rural areas of western Washington that I grew up in, it was not uncommon to see the mail delivery being done with a personal vehicle. The carrier was paid a vehicle stipend, so the more fuel efficient the vehicle, the better for them. I remember more than one using a VW bug back in the 70's. -Tom On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:26 AM, K O via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO I don't shop where I can't charge. Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:04:00 -0600 From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucksbe Electric? Message-ID: 550b39c0.1090...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150321/e6ff8b4c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/c6ce418c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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On Sun Mar 22 09:31:52 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said: Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? All ours switched from personal cars to postal jeeps last year. -- Bobcats and Cougars, oh my! http://john.casadelgato.com/Pets ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Perhaps they should try doing their round in reverse! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:31, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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The FB link shows it is our Martin... Website * http://www.winlow.co.uk http://www.winlow.co.uk/ * http://www.evalbum.com/2092 http://www.evalbum.com/2092 On 3/22/2015 11:19 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: OT, please forgive me. How many Martin Winlow's be there? I just saw a posting on spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow. It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on the interweb. http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/21/spacex-swaps-order-of-next-two-falcon-9-launches/ Mike On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/ec332cbe/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Do you have an iphone or something else i can do a live video link on ... If you fancy it?! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:57, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My mail carrier used to use her personal vehicle (a smoke puking thing I might add). But USPS added on package deliver in recent years as USPS is doing last mile work for UPS, and I think Amazon. She has been driving a multi-stop for some years now. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/a7ea8f9f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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OT, please forgive me. How many Martin Winlow's be there? I just saw a posting on spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow. It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on the interweb. http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/21/spacex-swaps-order-of-next-two-falcon-9-launches/ Mike On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/1045bae5/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:
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Oops! Wrongly addressed! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 17:00, Martin Winlow via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Do you have an iphone or something else i can do a live video link on ... If you fancy it?! MW On 22 Mar 2015, at 16:57, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My mail carrier used to use her personal vehicle (a smoke puking thing I might add). But USPS added on package deliver in recent years as USPS is doing last mile work for UPS, and I think Amazon. She has been driving a multi-stop for some years now. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Glen Hoag via EV wrote: AFAIK, all rural carriers use their own vehicles these days. Around here, some are still using ex-USPS Jeep DJ-5s, though most have been replaced by newer vehicles. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ group/NEDRA) -- To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 576-0824 https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell michael.e.r...@gmail.com michael.e.r...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/a7ea8f9f/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Jim Wolfe posted a response in this thread, but the server firewalled it because he apparently sent it as html only (Jim, please set your email to send either plain text or multipart html with plain text alternative, so I don't have to do this again; reformatting the message takes a significant amount of time). Here is the post. Around here, they all switched from private cars to postal vehicles a good decade ago. There were debates at the time about safety. People using regular cars had to sit on the passenger's side (to reach the mail boxes), and drive with only their left hand on the wheel and left foot to (barely) reach the accelerator and brake. Can't reach the turn signals, so they weren't used. That led to accidents. Today, I don't know what the Post Office's policy is nationwide. Does anyone have a mail carrier that uses their personal car? My daughter is a rural mail carrier that uses her own vehicle. (The right side of her vehicle shows how close she gets to mailboxes.) Her route(s) are out of Green Bay Wisconsin. The PO is 30+ miles from her home and I don't know the length of the routes, but even in the summertime range might be an issue as the route may not end up on her side of the PO. I believe the winters would kill the deal in her case, summers maybe... Her vehicle is also a FWD Durango, which is necessary for the snow covered and icy rural roads in the winter. Here in the Phoenix area it would seem to make good business sense to use electrics. In my area the mailboxes are about 100 ft apart. The mailman stops and turns off the truck, gets out to place the mail in the mailbox as there is a sidewalk and curb to traverse. I asked why he shuts off the truck for the 10 seconds that it takes to deliver the mail and he stated that it was required that he not leave the vehicle running when he's not in it. He did say that the biggest maintenance item was a starter as they don't last more than a couple of months. I also have a nephew who is a driver for UPS who drives up to 200 miles a day in Arizona. BTW: None of the UPS trucks in Phoenix have AC... Jim - Glendale, AZ www.evalbum.com/4854 David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to evpost and etpost addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus). They do this part time, generally, and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs, housewifery, kids etc. I would think their courier-ing needs would be ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO). I would have thought they could double their income. They all use family cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem. I must pin down my local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day... As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work for currently available EVs? Regards, Martin Winlow Herts, UK http://www.evalbum.com/2092 www.winlow.co.uk On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150322/7f624cf4/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] postal delivery
My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO I don't shop where I can't charge. Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Rush www.TucsonEV.com -- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 15:04:00 -0600 From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] EVLN: Will replacement USPS mail-trucks be Electric? Message-ID: 550b39c0.1090...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip They might not hook the mail carriers themselves. They're not likely to be rich enough to afford one. But I *can* see using the model S ust to get the mail carriers to be enthusiastic supporters of EVs. After all, they get to drive a sports car instead of a truck! Then Tesla can sell customized EV mail trucks to the Post Office for some inflated price, to get back all the money they spent on the free samples. -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150321/e6ff8b4c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] postal delivery
K O via EV wrote: My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly. BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office. My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union. They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment for change. Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He *did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be ridiculed). Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-( Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom and says 'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for play.' Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker. But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin! -- We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves. -- George Matthew Adams -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
