Got it.
Thx.
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> On Aug 24, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Jukka Järvinen wrote:
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> No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles
> in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by
> electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electr
No. I'm saying there were tons of gasoline powered scooters and motorcycles
in the cities in China (like Shenzhen). Now they have been replaced by
electric scooters and electric bicycles. The electric scooter is usually
with SLA batteries and weights about 120kg (270 lbs). The electric bicycle
is a
Very interesting.
So you're saying that there are tons of gasoline-powered assisted bikes in
China, and that these are what's being replaced, not non-assisted bikes.
I've never been to China, so I really don't know. I appreciate the information.
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> On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:22 AM
When the comparison is done fair we should look what the electric bike
replaces. We should not compare unaided bicycles to electrically assisted
ones.
In China many electric bicycles are much sturdier than ones without
electric assistance. So one can zip away on the streets with the bike and 3
oth
l Ross via EV"
> To: "Mark Abramowitz" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List"
> Sent: 23-Aug-15 10:41:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea> weaving-recklessly the wrongway
> HT delivery
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> That is ki
I was referring to human power. Much more efficient.
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Michael Ross wrote:
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> Mark,
>
> That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought - "cleanliness"
> of any electric use depends on the power generating source.
>
> I have
Two-stroke engines are hi emission.
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
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>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>
>> If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier.
>
> I can't help but think this is the
I don't think keeping up with a bike is a pertinent point. A Model S can't
outdo a normal 4 cycle twin under 1000cc..
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
>
> > It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 5
On Sun Aug 23 12:49:38 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
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>> On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>>> Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get
>>> better fuel economy than the best econobox
>>
>> T
Motorcycles are particularly bad if you look at person miles per gallon,
but so many cars are driven solo. None of that is an issue for light EVs.I
had a variety of 750's and 850's (4 cycle twins) in the 80's and got no
more than 45mpg.
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 2:45 PM, John Lussmyer via EV
wrote
On Aug 23, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
> It was quite hard to ride them slowly. I did get close to 50 mpg when I
> could hold it to 50-55 mph.
Ah...well, I think my point is still proven -- at least, if you amend it to
include driving habits. The only full-sized cars that could ke
On 08/23/2015 02:49 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
fuel economy than the best econobox
That particular part of
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:45 AM, John Lussmyer wrote:
> On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
>> fuel economy than the best econobox
>
> That particular part of your statement is incorrect.
> I used t
On Sun Aug 23 11:25:05 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
>fuel economy than the best econobox
That particular part of your statement is incorrect.
I used to ride a 1000cc motorcycle that got 30mpg.
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Bobcats and Coug
On Aug 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> If it merely 100% replaces a pedal-only bike, then clearly it is dirtier.
I can't help but think this is the perfect being the enemy of the good.
Even the worst full-sized gasoline-powered motorcycle is going to get better
fuel economy
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Discussion List"
Sent: 23-Aug-15 10:41:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bu's e-wheely bad idea> weaving-recklessly the
wrongway HT delivery
Mark,
That is kind of naive, or not resulting f
Mark,
That is kind of naive, or not resulting from careful thought -
"cleanliness" of any electric use depends on the power generating source.
I have 6kW of solar at home - pretty clean. If I charged the light EV pack
with a gas generator that would be pretty stinky. Grid power around here
is p
Aren't EV miles *dirtier* for bikes? Don't they mostly use unassisted bikes?
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> On Aug 22, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Jukka Järvinen wrote:
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> I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is
> standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away with
I bet this guy did not even know he was doing something wrong. As this is
standard procedure on many Chinese cities. :D Most get away without a
single scratch as everyone knows bicycles are everywhere. Which is exactly
the opposite situation in most US cities. Right?
The thing to observe here coul
Not sure what this has to do with EVs, unless you're implying that the
electrification of his bike had something to do with his lunacy.
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> On Aug 22, 2015, at 12:59 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
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>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-bike-traffic-holland-tu
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