Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

2017-10-24 Thread Bill Collins via EV 
It was towed to the dealer because of a fault in the motor control electronics. 
They replaced a module under warranty, but didn't give many details. When it 
threw the fault code, it would not move under its own power (I coasted into a 
parking lot). By the time AAA arrived, saw that they needed a rollback truck, 
and returned with the right truck, it would drive again, but I didn't trust it 
to make it to the dealer.
A friend had somewhat similar symptoms with his and had the accelerator pedal 
sensor replaced under warranty.

The car was running when I bought it. $4500 is a pretty typical price for a 
2013 in the Raleigh, NC area. 

Bill

> On October 24, 2017 at 8:56 AM Robert Bruninga  wrote:
> 
> 
> So why was it taken to the dealer? What was wrong with it.
> Was it towed there?  Is that what drove the sales price?
> Inquiring minds want to know these things... ;-)
> 
> Bob
> 
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions
> 
> I recently bought a 2013 Smart ED for $4500. I own the battery.
> I took it to the Mercedes dealer (Leith, in Cary, NC) and they kept it for
> two weeks. The only loan car they could give us (after we asked, they did
> not offer it) was an ICE Smart, which is a horrible car to drive.
> 
> The car itself has been fun. It's not as refined as the LEAF, but drives
> like a fast little go-cart! It feels like a really well done EV
> conversion, while the LEAF feels like it was designed to be electric.
> The lack of a service manual bothers me, but there seems to be a growing
> body of DIY info, including a leafspy like device that's in the prototype
> stage and a $200 code reader that's claimed to work with the Smart
> electric. We also have an independent mechanic that is working with one of
> the local Smart EV owners to learn how to repair them.
> 
> Bill
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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

2017-10-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
On 24 Oct 2017 at 8:13, Bill Collins via EV wrote:

> [Smart ED] feels like a really well done EV conversion, while the LEAF
> feels like it was designed to be electric. 

The Smart was originally conceived (way back in the mid-1990s) as an EV, 
while the Leaf is IIRC based on the Nissan Versa ICEV.  This suggests lots 
of things to think about in comparing Mercedes to Nissan, I guess.

At any rate, thanks for the report!

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

2017-10-24 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV 
So why was it taken to the dealer? What was wrong with it.
Was it towed there?  Is that what drove the sales price?
Inquiring minds want to know these things... ;-)

Bob

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

I recently bought a 2013 Smart ED for $4500. I own the battery.
I took it to the Mercedes dealer (Leith, in Cary, NC) and they kept it for
two weeks. The only loan car they could give us (after we asked, they did
not offer it) was an ICE Smart, which is a horrible car to drive.

The car itself has been fun. It's not as refined as the LEAF, but drives
like a fast little go-cart! It feels like a really well done EV
conversion, while the LEAF feels like it was designed to be electric.
The lack of a service manual bothers me, but there seems to be a growing
body of DIY info, including a leafspy like device that's in the prototype
stage and a $200 code reader that's claimed to work with the Smart
electric. We also have an independent mechanic that is working with one of
the local Smart EV owners to learn how to repair them.

Bill
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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

2017-10-24 Thread Bill Collins via EV 
I recently bought a 2013 Smart ED for $4500. I own the battery.
I took it to the Mercedes dealer (Leith, in Cary, NC) and they kept it for two 
weeks. The only loan car they could give us (after we asked, they did not offer 
it) was an ICE Smart, which is a horrible car to drive. 

The car itself has been fun. It's not as refined as the LEAF, but drives like a 
fast little go-cart! It feels like a really well done EV conversion, while the 
LEAF feels like it was designed to be electric.
The lack of a service manual bothers me, but there seems to be a growing body 
of DIY info, including a leafspy like device that's in the prototype stage and 
a $200 code reader that's claimed to work with the Smart electric. We also have 
an independent mechanic that is working with one of the local Smart EV owners 
to learn how to repair them.

Bill
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Re: [EVDL] Smart ED questions

2017-10-23 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV 
Can’t really answer the questions as I have not tried to get any of this 
information.  In Canada the car only comes with the battery.   Mine was bought 
in late 2013 and is a 2014 model year.  So far I have just taken it in once per 
year for their checkup routine and the battery seems to only get better - 
probably as I get better at driving it.

Regards,
Lawrence Harris
lhar...@haritech.com




> On Oct 23, 2017, at 13:38, mark hanson  wrote:
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> Hi Lawrence,
>  
> The Smart ED was my first choice for a factory EV until I found out I 
> couldn’t get the shop manual or a OBD-2 CanBus reader like the LeafSpy I have 
> on the Leaf.  Then the wheeler dealer told me it had half the battery 
> warranty since it was half a car (not the standard 100K 8 year) OR I had to 
> make monthly battery payments (about $99?) or buy the battery for $5K extra 
> (on top of what I paid for a used Smart).  In addition I had to TOW it to 
> Wash DC once a year (I’m 250 miles away in Roanoke and both Mercedes dealers 
> here said they have nothing to do with Smarts) to have them tweak stuff to 
> keep the battery warranty in effect.  Smart *really* needs a Smart 
> dealership!  Not the bastard child of Mercedes…
>  
> Have they changed any of their policies or are they still trying to UNSELL 
> their EV’s?
>  
> I currently own a Leaf and a Spark, like both but the Leaf has more service 
> info (thanks to Cor etc, not wheeler dealers).  The Spark handles better, 
> more fun to drive/park – but I hope it never breaks, would be harder to fix, 
> the polar opposite of my last conversion www.evalbum.com/4346 
>  .
>  
> Have a renewable energy day,
>  
> Mark
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