Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Bill Woodcock via EV]

> On Mar 21, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Willie via EV  wrote:
> From another part of this very interesting thread: I was pointed to a new 
> Mitsubishi air source heat pump that produces heat from extraordinary cold 
> air without resistive heat.  Down near zero, as I recall.  I haven't seen any 
> efficiency numbers.

Any pointers?

-Bill

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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[(-Phil-) via EV]

Yeah, the PCS feed (under the rear seat, passenger-side) on 3/Y can supply
200A no sweat, but just be sure you don't have large capacitive loads
attached without some sort of isolation or precharge.  (Or car will not be
able to wake properly)

The PCS (Power Conversion System) incorporates the HV->12V DC-DC converter,
and is also used to precharge the HV from 12v when the car wakes up.
VCFront (the front main vehicle controller) passes power from the 12v
battery back to the PCS for this startup, but doesn't like any large
unexpected loads when running "backwards" like this.  Once the contactors
close and the PCS reverses direction, it's safe to load it.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:06 AM Willie via EV  wrote:

>
>
> On 3/21/21 12:58 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> > I don't advise use of an EV battery pack for moving energy around on a
> > daily basis, you will not only void your warranty, but you will suffer
> > early degradation, on top of not having the use of your car while it's
> > being used to power shift.
>
> It was mostly a "flight of fancy".  I recognize the battery cost
> problem.  OTOH, batteries are getting longer lives.
>
> >
> > For occasional back up in an emergency, it's fine, and nobody is going to
> > try to void your warranty.   Though if you attempt it on a Tesla, know
> > EXACTLY what you are doing and don't post it all over social media then
> > brick your car.  (Owner got his warranty voided AND had to pay Tesla to
> fix
> > his car)  On newer Teslas you WILL have problems if you attach loads
> > directly to the 12v battery!
>
> On my Model 3, I discovered that.  As you likely know, there is an
> upstream tap point (under rear seat), that can supply more abundant 12v
> power.  I did my experimenting before "dog" and "camp" modes so I don't
> know how that impacts things.  Others have complained of excessive
> vampire loads when trying to use 12v power externally.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Willie via EV]

On 3/21/21 12:58 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:

I don't advise use of an EV battery pack for moving energy around on a
daily basis, you will not only void your warranty, but you will suffer
early degradation, on top of not having the use of your car while it's
being used to power shift.


It was mostly a "flight of fancy".  I recognize the battery cost 
problem.  OTOH, batteries are getting longer lives.




For occasional back up in an emergency, it's fine, and nobody is going to
try to void your warranty.   Though if you attempt it on a Tesla, know
EXACTLY what you are doing and don't post it all over social media then
brick your car.  (Owner got his warranty voided AND had to pay Tesla to fix
his car)  On newer Teslas you WILL have problems if you attach loads
directly to the 12v battery!


On my Model 3, I discovered that.  As you likely know, there is an 
upstream tap point (under rear seat), that can supply more abundant 12v 
power.  I did my experimenting before "dog" and "camp" modes so I don't 
know how that impacts things.  Others have complained of excessive 
vampire loads when trying to use 12v power externally.


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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Willie via EV]

On 3/21/21 11:00 AM, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote:


As of January 1, 2020 no customers were allowed to get net metering. Those
of us who already had net metering were grandfathered in for a few years.
When the grandfathering runs out I guess that we will have to pay in order
to give our excess electricity to SLEMCO. I also consider that the


That is very similar to my provider, a coop.  The $.03 meter I mentioned 
is grandfathered from a dropped program.  The $.06/$.10 deal is the 
replacement program which I voluntarily converted to since I wanted to 
sell them a lot of energy.  It is rare, except for coops, for an 
electric utility to pay cash for over production.  Mine pays the $.03 
only annually but monthly $.06 on the new program.  The new program, you 
sell to them during daylight for $.06, then buy at night for $.10.  For 
two years, I've avoided buying any significant amount using a PowerWall. 
 I realized when I started that it was not cost effective.  After 
cycling my PW ~800 times, I decided to prolong the battery life and save 
the PW for emergencies.


From another part of this very interesting thread: I was pointed to a 
new Mitsubishi air source heat pump that produces heat from 
extraordinary cold air without resistive heat.  Down near zero, as I 
recall.  I haven't seen any efficiency numbers.  As you likely know, 
ground source heat sources are VERY expensive to reach.  I have an 
abundant supply of fairly shallow ground water, ~70 deg year round, that 
could make an excellent source.  I've considered using the circulating 
water without a heat pump to both heat and cool.  In southern Louisiana, 
I imagine you are in even better shape on ground water.  The problem is 
that no ground source heat pump suppliers seem to offer a "well water to 
waste" heat option.


Electric coop comment:  Mine owns no generation. I'm not sure how common 
that is.  They don't much care who they buy from.  Distant power, west 
Texas wind and PV, has significant transmission costs.  My coop pays no 
transmission fees on my PV power.



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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[(-Phil-) via EV]

I don't advise use of an EV battery pack for moving energy around on a
daily basis, you will not only void your warranty, but you will suffer
early degradation, on top of not having the use of your car while it's
being used to power shift.

For occasional back up in an emergency, it's fine, and nobody is going to
try to void your warranty.   Though if you attempt it on a Tesla, know
EXACTLY what you are doing and don't post it all over social media then
brick your car.  (Owner got his warranty voided AND had to pay Tesla to fix
his car)  On newer Teslas you WILL have problems if you attach loads
directly to the 12v battery!



On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:00 AM Bobby Keeland via EV 
wrote:

> Interesting information in this thread. When we first had solar panels
> installed back in 2014 we did not have a net metering. So for a few days we
> paid retail for energy that we got from the utility (SLEMCO) and paid
> retail for all electricity that went to the grid. Net metering was so very
> much better. When we overproduced electricity it was banked, but we were
> not paid for it. Instead when we needed more electricity than we produced
> we paid nearly full retail price.
>
> As of January 1, 2020 no customers were allowed to get net metering. Those
> of us who already had net metering were grandfathered in for a few years.
> When the grandfathering runs out I guess that we will have to pay in order
> to give our excess electricity to SLEMCO. I also consider that the
> electricity that we get from SLEMCO is generated using:
> Natural gas - probably from fracking
> Coal - all coal begins at some level of dirty
> Nuclear - no matter what proponents of nuclear there is always spent fuel
> that takes many centuries to be “safe.”
>
> My solar panels and inverters added some pollution when they were made and
> again when they no longer work well, but in between there are no fumes or
> spent reactor rods to deal with. We recently added some LiFePO4 batteries.
> Yes, they were not cheap, and in whatever time is left in my life I may not
> recover the cost. But I will not be adding a lot of pollution that my
> grandchildren (and your grandchildren) will have to deal with. Yes, I am a
> fan of the young lady from Sweden, Greta Thunberg.
> Bobby Keeland
> Louisiana
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 10:30 AM Jay Summet via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > Charge up a 100 kWh EV at the 0.3 kWh site in the day, drive it to the
> > other site and discharge it at night?
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > On 3/21/21 11:28 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/21/21 10:18 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a
> > >> wire between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer,
> > >> and he could reimburse you in the winter.
> > >
> > > That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable
> > > solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth
> > > $.03/kwh and another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the
> > > separation is about 1/3 mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy
> > > available to use (or sell) on my $.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a
> > > pair of high voltage transformers but I doubt the practicality.  And I
> > > doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to do a few kw over that
> > > distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to about 15kw by
> > > the utility's transformer.
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Bobby Keeland via EV]

Interesting information in this thread. When we first had solar panels
installed back in 2014 we did not have a net metering. So for a few days we
paid retail for energy that we got from the utility (SLEMCO) and paid
retail for all electricity that went to the grid. Net metering was so very
much better. When we overproduced electricity it was banked, but we were
not paid for it. Instead when we needed more electricity than we produced
we paid nearly full retail price.

As of January 1, 2020 no customers were allowed to get net metering. Those
of us who already had net metering were grandfathered in for a few years.
When the grandfathering runs out I guess that we will have to pay in order
to give our excess electricity to SLEMCO. I also consider that the
electricity that we get from SLEMCO is generated using:
Natural gas - probably from fracking
Coal - all coal begins at some level of dirty
Nuclear - no matter what proponents of nuclear there is always spent fuel
that takes many centuries to be “safe.”

My solar panels and inverters added some pollution when they were made and
again when they no longer work well, but in between there are no fumes or
spent reactor rods to deal with. We recently added some LiFePO4 batteries.
Yes, they were not cheap, and in whatever time is left in my life I may not
recover the cost. But I will not be adding a lot of pollution that my
grandchildren (and your grandchildren) will have to deal with. Yes, I am a
fan of the young lady from Sweden, Greta Thunberg.
Bobby Keeland
Louisiana

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 10:30 AM Jay Summet via EV 
wrote:

> Charge up a 100 kWh EV at the 0.3 kWh site in the day, drive it to the
> other site and discharge it at night?
>
> Jay
>
> On 3/21/21 11:28 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 3/21/21 10:18 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a
> >> wire between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer,
> >> and he could reimburse you in the winter.
> >
> > That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable
> > solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth
> > $.03/kwh and another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the
> > separation is about 1/3 mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy
> > available to use (or sell) on my $.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a
> > pair of high voltage transformers but I doubt the practicality.  And I
> > doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to do a few kw over that
> > distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to about 15kw by
> > the utility's transformer.
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Lee Hart via EV]

Willie via EV wrote:
Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a 
wire between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer, 
and he could reimburse you in the winter. 


That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable 
solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth 
$.03/kwh and another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the 
separation is about 1/3 mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy 
available to use (or sell) on my $.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a 
pair of high voltage transformers but I doubt the practicality.  And I 
doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to do a few kw over that 
distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to about 15kw by 
the utility's transformer.


1/3 mile is not too bad. It would certainly be possible to run your own 
power line for that distance, as long as it's all on your own property. 
Transformers above 1 KW are over 95% efficient, and high voltage can cut 
your wire losses to 1-2%.


But the economics are another matter. If you have to buy the wire, 
transformers, and supplies new, and pay someone to install it all, I 
doubt it would ever reach payback.


[Mad thought... Maybe Tesla's broadcasted power idea will make a 
comeback. We know how to wirelessly broadcast power for limited 
distances at not-too-terrible efficiencies. Given that solar power is 
"free", imagine a subdivision where every home has PV, and either 
broadcasts or receives to share power with their neighbors. No grid! 
I'll bet the utility regulations weren't written to exclude selling 
power when there are no physical ties!]


Lee
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Willie via EV]

On 3/21/21 10:30 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
Charge up a 100 kWh EV at the 0.3 kWh site in the day, drive it to the 
other site and discharge it at night?


That would be semi-viable if I had an EV with decent V2H/V2G (I'm VERY 
excited about the new VW offering!).  With Teslas, you are limited to 
1-2kw going through 12v and that goes through a very inefficient 
inverter to 240vac (in my testing).  I've not very seriously considered 
hauling (free) SuperCharger energy home.  But, that's a 30 mile trip 
times two.  Not to mention more than an hour out of my life and 15-20 
kwh for the transport.


With a car with decent V2G/V2H (maybe a VW), I envision charging at 
~10kw on the $.03 meter, then discharging at about 2-4kw at the $.06 
meter for about 24 hours.  At least during the night when I am paying 
$.10/kwh.  I can use a PowerWall to avoid pay $.10 but the benefit is 
only $.04/kwh and would take far longer than the life of the PW to pay 
for the PW.  With $.03 energy, the differential would be $.07.



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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Charge your tesla and drive it to the other meter and dump :)

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On 3/21/21 10:18 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:


Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a wire between 
houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer, and he could reimburse 
you in the winter.


That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable 
solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth $.03/kwh and 
another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the separation is about 1/3 
mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy available to use (or sell) on my 
$.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a pair of high voltage transformers but I 
doubt the practicality.  And I doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to 
do a few kw over that distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to 
about 15kw by the utility's transformer.

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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Jay Summet via EV]

Charge up a 100 kWh EV at the 0.3 kWh site in the day, drive it to the 
other site and discharge it at night?


Jay

On 3/21/21 11:28 AM, Willie via EV wrote:



On 3/21/21 10:18 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:

Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a 
wire between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer, 
and he could reimburse you in the winter. 


That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable 
solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth 
$.03/kwh and another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the 
separation is about 1/3 mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy 
available to use (or sell) on my $.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a 
pair of high voltage transformers but I doubt the practicality.  And I 
doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to do a few kw over that 
distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to about 15kw by 
the utility's transformer.


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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Willie via EV]

On 3/21/21 10:18 AM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:

Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a wire 
between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer, and he 
could reimburse you in the winter. 


That highlights a problem I have long considered but not found a viable 
solution to.  I have one meter where my excess production is worth 
$.03/kwh and another where it is worth $.06.  Unfortunately, the 
separation is about 1/3 mile.  I would love to have the $.03 energy 
available to use (or sell) on my $.06 meter.  A neighbor suggested a 
pair of high voltage transformers but I doubt the practicality.  And I 
doubt I could afford the wire size necessary to do a few kw over that 
distance.  My $.03 production is limited by my utility to about 15kw by 
the utility's transformer.


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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Lee Hart via EV]

Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

The one thing that off-grid battery systems cannot do is store up the
DOUBLE solar energy available in the summer for use in the winter.  As a
result, the off-grid system has to be drastically overbuilt for the winter
and has wasted energy (investment) in the summer..

Bummer about the new rates and connect fees!


Hmm... If you're on good terms with your neighbor, you could run a wire 
between houses and sell your excess power to him in the summer, and he 
could reimburse you in the winter.


Lee

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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Ron Solberg via EV]

On 2021-03-21 00:14, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:

Without NET metering, solar has to rely on
batteries for energy storage and that triples the cost of the system 
making

it totally uneconomical.



Hi,
We just installed an 11 Kw Grid Feed PV that powers our Tesla Model 3 
and more. Thanks for sharing, it is just what I needed to hear. We are 
also installing 8 more 410w PV panels, plus 3 vintage Jacobs wind 
electric conversion units through a different grid meter. So I do not 
get off topic here, my email is vio...@alliancecom.net should you wish 
further discussion.



I'm not sure that's true anymore.  PV prices are so cheap now that
trippling your array size today is now affordable.  When I installed
my array 10 years ago PV prices were 5 times as much as they are now,
so installin g3x as many panels is STILL cheaper than what I paid.
Even adding batteries doesn't increase the price that much
An off-grid array today can produce as much energy for the same or
lower price than a grid-tied from 10 years ago.

In fact I'm serious considering taking my house off grid because my
power company is increasing the connection fees for solar customers.
Once they finish implementing all of the price increases, I'll end up
paying $65 just for the priviledge of having a connection to the grid.
 They are also changing the net metering from 1kwh in to 1kwh out at
same price (basically banking energy for free) to wholesale price for
energy pushed to the grid and retail price for energy pulled from the
grid, basically I'll pay 10 cents a kwh to bank energy.

Switching to off-grid will cost me perhaps $7,000 more, but will save
me at least $900 a year.  Less than 8 years to break even.
I have already purchased 12 more 315w PV panels and a 3kw off-grid
inverter-charger which will work with my existing micro-inverters
using AC-coupling.  I'm looking for a LiIon battery pack from a
wrecked EV now.

My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

The one thing that off-grid battery systems cannot do is store up the
DOUBLE solar energy available in the summer for use in the winter.  As a
result, the off-grid system has to be drastically overbuilt for the winter
and has wasted energy (investment) in the summer..

Bummer about the new rates and connect fees!  Bob

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 1:14 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV 
wrote:

> > Without NET metering, solar has to rely on
> > batteries for energy storage and that triples the cost of the system
> making
> > it totally uneconomical.
>
> I'm not sure that's true anymore.  PV prices are so cheap now that
> trippling your array size today is now affordable.  When I installed my
> array 10 years ago PV prices were 5 times as much as they are now, so
> installin g3x as many panels is STILL cheaper than what I paid.
> Even adding batteries doesn't increase the price that much
> An off-grid array today can produce as much energy for the same or lower
> price than a grid-tied from 10 years ago.
>
> In fact I'm serious considering taking my house off grid because my power
> company is increasing the connection fees for solar customers.  Once they
> finish implementing all of the price increases, I'll end up paying $65 just
> for the priviledge of having a connection to the grid.  They are also
> changing the net metering from 1kwh in to 1kwh out at same price (basically
> banking energy for free) to wholesale price for energy pushed to the grid
> and retail price for energy pulled from the grid, basically I'll pay 10
> cents a kwh to bank energy.
>
> Switching to off-grid will cost me perhaps $7,000 more, but will save me
> at least $900 a year.  Less than 8 years to break even.
> I have already purchased 12 more 315w PV panels and a 3kw off-grid
> inverter-charger which will work with my existing micro-inverters using
> AC-coupling.  I'm looking for a LiIon battery pack from a wrecked EV now.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Peter VanDerWal via EV]

> Without NET metering, solar has to rely on
> batteries for energy storage and that triples the cost of the system making
> it totally uneconomical. 

I'm not sure that's true anymore.  PV prices are so cheap now that trippling 
your array size today is now affordable.  When I installed my array 10 years 
ago PV prices were 5 times as much as they are now, so installin g3x as many 
panels is STILL cheaper than what I paid.
Even adding batteries doesn't increase the price that much
An off-grid array today can produce as much energy for the same or lower price 
than a grid-tied from 10 years ago.

In fact I'm serious considering taking my house off grid because my power 
company is increasing the connection fees for solar customers.  Once they 
finish implementing all of the price increases, I'll end up paying $65 just for 
the priviledge of having a connection to the grid.  They are also changing the 
net metering from 1kwh in to 1kwh out at same price (basically banking energy 
for free) to wholesale price for energy pushed to the grid and retail price for 
energy pulled from the grid, basically I'll pay 10 cents a kwh to bank energy.

Switching to off-grid will cost me perhaps $7,000 more, but will save me at 
least $900 a year.  Less than 8 years to break even.
I have already purchased 12 more 315w PV panels and a 3kw off-grid 
inverter-charger which will work with my existing micro-inverters using 
AC-coupling.  I'm looking for a LiIon battery pack from a wrecked EV now.

My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key
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Re: [EVDL] Took the Tesla Y plunge, no more Fossil Fools - Now Solar

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

When I post about the huge savings with home solar (Grid tied)(50% the cost
of the utility) I often get pushback from several people such as Mr.
Keeland and I just found out why.  His state Louisianna gets an "F" on
renewables.  Here are the states:
The 2019 Community Power Scorecard – Institute for Local Self-Reliance
(ilsr.org)


Wow, That is an eye opener and a shock as to why Solar has no foothold in
all these backwards states.  Without NET metering, solar has to rely on
batteries for energy storage and that triples the cost of the system making
it totally uneconomical.  But the good news is that with people on thie EV
list all owning huge batteries in their EV's they may already havae the big
battery to make it economical.  But only if retired and their EV is there
at home with the solar panels when the EV can absorb the free solar
electricity.

So a good home solar DIY project is solar-to EV charging for the small
subset of EV owners who are at home during the solar day.

A corollary is that if you live in a progressive NET metering state and
have sun on your property, you are crazy not to sign up.  This is in case
they backtrack and take away net metering due to u tility greed.  At least
you will be grandfathered.

Bob

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:24 PM Bobby Keeland via EV 
wrote:

> Mark said “I’m also building a Tesla Coil that throws 5’ lightning bolts.”
>
> Have you read the book “The Seventh Plague” written by James Rollins? In
> that book there is an extensive part about a guy that wants to generate
> power for everyone by building a giant Tesla Coil. The Tesla Coil did not
> work in that book. I also have thought about building a Tesla Coil, but I
> also want to build a trebuchet. Unfortunately I’m still working on my solar
> water heater, my battery backup for the solar panels, earth tubes and many
> other projects. Retired does not mean having nothing to do ...
> Bob Keeland
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 10:54 AM paul dove via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > No parking brake. It has a break paw in the gear box that engages when in
> > park.
> >
> >
> > Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 19, 2021, 9:32 AM, Mark Hanson via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Folks for helping me make my decision. The Ford Escape PHEV seems
> > like it’s made of Unobtanium anyway (factory Covid shutdowns,layoffs).
> > Maybe there’s a reason Ford’s stock remains in the single digits and
> Tesla
> > $300+.  I’ll pick up the Blue Tesla Y Saturday In Richmond, since I’m 65,
> > paid from my IRA so no payments $52k, 4 wheel drive 316 mile range.
> We’re
> > no longer fossil fools now with a Leaf, Bolt and a Tesla. I’m also
> building
> > a Tesla Coil that throws 5’ lightning bolts, 6.0 kit from Eastern voltage
> > research.com.
> > The Tesla Y looks like it has a steep learning curve compared to the
> Bolt.
> > Had to sign up last night for a Tesla account and download an app on my
> > iPhone to access the car. It looks like you’re Information tracked For
> > charging convenience (automatically charges credit card without using at
> > supercharger stations).  The controls are not in the usual places and a
> lot
> > is done through the laptop size touchscreen.  Probably why you don’t see
> > them as Hertz etc rentals. I’ll have to dig into the wire harness to set
> up
> > a trailer hitch from Etrailers.com To tow the boat.  Say where’s the
> > parking brake to set when I launch the ski boat at the boat ramp?  It
> would
> > be a bummer to submerge a $52k car.
> > One big reason for buying the Tesla Y is the self driving capability as
> we
> > get older and decrepit, so we don’t get kicked out of our house to an old
> > fart home like the nieghbors did when they couldn’t drive.  Of course
> > you’ll still have to have the cognition to operate this fancy car...
> > Have a renewable energy day
> > Mark
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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