RE: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-28 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes This brings up an interesting conundrum that I raised three or four torture experiments ago. Given 10 instantiations of a person having an unpleasant experience E ... for example 10 sentient programs running in parallel, is it better, if we aim to reduce suffering, to (a)

Re: Torture yet again

2005-06-28 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 10:42:17PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote: No, it's not the same program. What do you mean? I am postulating that it *is* the same sequence of code bytes, the *same* program. Do you know what I mean when I say that program A is the same program as program B? An

RE: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin writes: This brings up an interesting conundrum that I raised three or four torture experiments ago. Given 10 instantiations of a person having an unpleasant experience E ... for example 10 sentient programs running in parallel, is it better, if we aim to reduce suffering, to

joining.

2005-06-28 Thread chris peck
Hello; My name is Chris Peck, this is my joining post. I have not seen anyone elses, so im not entirely sure what's expected. I have Ba in Philosophy from University College London, and an MSc in IT from the same institution. Im interested in philosophy of science - particularly the

Re: joining.

2005-06-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 28-juin-05, à 17:05, chris peck wrote (quoting Kripke) 'Some philosophers think that something's having intuitive content is very inconclusive evidence in favor of it. I think that it is very heavy evidence in favor of anything myself. I really don't know, in a way, what more conclusive

Re: possible solution to modal realism's problem of induction

2005-06-28 Thread scerir
[Brian Holtz] If two spacetime-disconnected regions are causally disconnected (such that none of the events in each has any possibility of influence on any events in the other), then it seems pure artifice to say the regions are in the same world. You could as easily say that all possible events

Continuity, Observer Moments and Memory of a Past

2005-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Lee, and Stathis, I have been pondering the various threads discussing OMs and continuity requirements and have a couple of questions. - Original Message - From: Lee Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: RE:

People, Machines, and Manipulations

2005-06-28 Thread Lee Corbin
Eugen writes I am postulating that it *is* the same sequence of code bytes, the *same* program. Do you know what I mean when I say that program A is the same program as program B? An instantiated program is much more than a sequence of bytes -- it also has state. Most programs do not

Re: joining.

2005-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Chris, Welcome! I look forward to your posts. ;-) BTW, I have neglected to post my own Joining statement, so let me introduce myself. I am a self-taught student of philosophy of science, specializing on the Problems of Time and Consciousness. I somewhat follow Chalmers' ideas on

RE: Continuity, Observer Moments and Memory of a Past

2005-06-28 Thread Lee Corbin
Stephen writes [LC] I'm skeptical of continuity requirements. Now I do not believe in Greg Egan's equations in Permutation City: according to a premise of the story, it order to obtain the you of tomorrow, there is a short-cut alternative to just letting you run. And that is to

RE: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-28 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes [Lee wrote] Here is the dreadful closest continuer method of Nozick and others. I claim it gives the wrong answer. Look, the continuation happens anyway, whether you die here or not! Especially if the events are outside each other's light cones, how can what happens

Witnesses, Observer Moments and Memories of a Past

2005-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Lee, Are you familiar with any of the experiments that have been performed regarding quantum counterfactuals or null measurements? It turns out that the fact that some particular measure *was not made* counts just as much, and thus affects the results of a measurement, of an actual

Re: Witnesses, Observer Moments and Memories of a Past

2005-06-28 Thread rmiller
At 10:31 PM 6/28/2005, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Lee, Are you familiar with any of the experiments that have been performed regarding quantum counterfactuals or null measurements? It turns out that the fact that some particular measure *was not made* counts just as much, and thus

Re: Witnesses, Observer Moments and Memories of a Past

2005-06-28 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Richard, AFAIK, Feynman never discussed this. It first shows up in Vaidman's work, I may be wrong: http://www.nature.com/news/1999/991216/pf/991216-3_pf.html http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/1108/00/kast-disHYP.pdf Stephen - Original Message - From: rmiller