Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-oct.-06, à 06:02, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: The UD is both massively parallel and massively sequential. Recall the UD generates all programs and executes them all together, but one step at a time. The D is for dovetailing which is a technic for emulating

Re: Time, Causality and all that

2006-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-oct.-06, à 21:52, Charles Goodwin a écrit : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter D Jones The problem is not that there are no such resemblances in a Multiverse, it is that ther are far too many. How does one distinguishing real ones from coincidental ones. How does a

Re: Time, Causality and all that

2006-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-oct.-06, à 21:52, Charles Goodwin wrote : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter D Jones The problem is not that there are no such resemblances in a Multiverse, it is that ther are far too many. How does one distinguishing real ones from coincidental ones. How does a

Re: Time, Causality and all that

2006-10-22 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 21-oct.-06, à 21:52, Charles Goodwin a écrit : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter D Jones The problem is not that there are no such resemblances in a Multiverse, it is that ther are far too many. How does one distinguishing real ones from

Infinitesimal roadmap (was Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted)

2006-10-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 21-oct.-06, à 02:12, David Nyman a écrit : Yes, of course, Brent - hence my comments later on in my post. But in fact, comp implies that the normal physics model can't 'fit all the data', if we include (as we must) the 1-person pov itself in 'the data'. And my point is also that a model

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread 1Z
David Nyman wrote: 1Z wrote: Computationalism doesn't imply that. a conflict between computationalism and physicalism would be be astonshing and highly significant. It certainly would be astonishing to a 'physicalist'. But, as you have remarked, our agenda here is more ecumenical.

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread 1Z
David Nyman wrote: 1Z wrote: 1) 'Computationalism', a theory (implicitly or explicitly) based on materialism, although in a manner which (witness our recent dialogues), at least so far as its putative association with consciousness is concerned, in an entirely 'relational' manner

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread David Nyman
1Z wrote: Computationalism doesn't imply that. a conflict between computationalism and physicalism would be be astonshing and highly significant. It certainly would be astonishing to a 'physicalist'. But, as you have remarked, our agenda here is more ecumenical. A conflict between

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread David Nyman
1Z wrote: Maybe physics is relations all the way down. Hmm... I think this is pretty close to what Bruno is saying, using AR+CT+UDA as the 'placeholder' for the universe of relational possibility. But, to differentiate your own views, what would you propose as the relata (i.e. when you've gone

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread David Nyman
1Z wrote: 1) 'Computationalism', a theory (implicitly or explicitly) based on materialism, although in a manner which (witness our recent dialogues), at least so far as its putative association with consciousness is concerned, in an entirely 'relational' manner which is extremely opaque

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread 1Z
David Nyman wrote: 1Z wrote: Maybe physics is relations all the way down. Hmm... I think this is pretty close to what Bruno is saying, using AR+CT+UDA as the 'placeholder' for the universe of relational possibility. But, to differentiate your own views, what would you propose as the

To observe is to......EC

2006-10-22 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
= STEP 5: The rolling proof NOTES: 1) There is only 1 proof in EC. (Symbolically it has been designated U(.) above) 2) It consists of 1 collection of basic EC primitives (axioms) 3) The current state of the proof is 'now' the thin slice of the

RE: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: Le 21-oct.-06, à 06:02, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno Marchal writes: The UD is both massively parallel and massively sequential. Recall the UD generates all programs and executes them all together, but one step at a time. The D is for dovetailing

RE: To observe is to......EC

2006-10-22 Thread Colin Hales
=== STEP 6: Initial state, 'axioms' (*) The initial state of the EC axiom set is 1 huge collection of phase related fluctuations. The (*) means that all the axioms are coincident - there is no 'space' yet. No concept of place. The number of spatial