1Z wrote:

> Computationalism doesn't imply that. a conflict between
> computationalism and physicalism would be be astonshing
> and highly significant.

It certainly would be astonishing to a 'physicalist'. But, as you have
remarked, our agenda here is more ecumenical.

> A conflict between physicalsim and Platonism
> is much less so.

Must I assume that by 'Platonism' here you mean COMP? We do need, I
think, to make a clear distinction in these discussions between

1) 'Computationalism', a theory (implicitly or explicitly) based on
materialism, although in a manner which (witness our recent dialogues),
at least so far as its putative association with consciousness is
concerned, in an entirely 'relational' manner which is extremely opaque
as to its roots in 'physical causality'.

and

2) COMP - a theory which posits the emergence of 'matter' as a measure
on a computationally prior 1-person level - hence defining its
axiomatic base solely in terms of computational fundamentals - CT, AR,
etc.

David

> David Nyman wrote:
> > Brent Meeker wrote:
> >
> > > But it's still a model, one based on arithmetic rather than matter, and 
> > > the only way to       > judge whether it is a good model to see how it 
> > > corresponds with "mere appearance"; just > like we test QM, general 
> > > relativity, and every other theory.  It *might* be the really real     > 
> > > model - but so might any other model that fits all the data.
> >
> > Yes, of course, Brent - hence my comments later on in my post. But in
> > fact, comp implies that the normal physics model can't 'fit all the
> > data', if we include (as we must) the 1-person pov itself in 'the
> > data'.
>
> Computationalism doesn't imply that. a conflict between
> computationalism and physicalism would be be astonshing
> and highly significant. A conflict between physicalsim and Platonism
> is much less so.


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