Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that you are missing my point. I will better explain my point about the whole control loop. Personal tastes and second order feelings about the tastes are all on the *input* side of our system of consciousness. But the input is not

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 7, 1:52 am, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/7/07, Tom Caylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why wouldn't the *whole* of such a Plenitude be truly superfluous to any reality? According to Bruno's recursion theory

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/10/07, John Mikes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i ENVY YOU, guys, to know so much about BHs to speak of a singularity. I would not go further than according to what is said about them, they may wash off whatever got into and turn into - sort of - a singularity. Galaxies, whatever, fall into

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 04:30, Tom Caylor a écrit : Here a diagram would be useful. The reductionist tendency seems to be to lump all of consciousness into the input interpretting box and explain it in terms of smaller parts making up an autonomous machine. Hence, now that it is all explained

Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 04:59, Tom Caylor a écrit : Modern science is only in the left side of the brain of humanity. Unlike greek science, if you look carefully. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 10-mars-07, à 09:58, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Most people in the world behave as if there were an ultimate morality, even though logically they might know that there isn't. Come on, come on, come on com, I think this true even of those with religious beliefs:

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread John M
Cher Quentin, let me paraphrase (big): so someone had an assumption: BH. OK, everybody has the right to fantasize. Especially if it sounds helpful.Then some mathematically loaded minds calculated within this assumption with quantities taken from other assumptions (pardon me: quantizing within

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Jesse Mazer
John M: Cher Quentin, let me paraphrase (big): so someone had an assumption: BH. OK, everybody has the right to fantasize. Especially if it sounds helpful. Well, the basic assumption was more broad than that: it was that general relativity is a trustworthy theory of gravity. There's plenty

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread John Mikes
Dear Jesse, thanks for the cool and objective words. I take it back (not what I said: I mean the topic) further. Our edifice of physical science is a wonderful mental construct, balanced by applied math, all on quantities fitting the reduced models of historical observations from the hand-ax on.

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument - and Thanks and a dumb question.

2007-03-10 Thread Mark Peaty
SP: ' ... it could take a long time to get there ... ' MP: But is that according to the time frame of the laughing devil who threw me in there and who remains safely out of reach of acceleration-induced time dilation, or my wailing ghost which/who's mind and sensoria will be ever more

Re: [SPAM] Re: God and the plenitude (was:The Meaning of Life)

2007-03-10 Thread Mark Peaty
Tom, is it not a simple fact, surely, that *meaning*, for a creature with the wherewithal to worry about it, is fundamentally the recognition of relationships amongst the creatures and things perceived in the world, including oneself, and relating these to oneself? Regards Mark Peaty