Re: Platonia

2011-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Mar 2011, at 19:44, Pzomby wrote: On Mar 3, 2:07 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Mar 2011, at 02:54, Pzomby wrote: On Mar 2, 6:03 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Mar 2011, at 05:48, Pzomby wrote: That is why I limit myself for the TOE to natural

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Hi Bruno, Thanks for answers. As usual, they are very enjoyable. From my side I can offer nothing more. I guess that at the moment my point of view is some eclectic mixture, basically I am just collecting different ideas and theories. I should say that some long time ago I used to have

Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread ronaldheld
http://vixra.org/pdf/1103.0005v1.pdf. Bruno may be interested in this one. Ronald -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Andrew Soltau
I suspect we all may. Wong states that, important as a grand unified theory might be, ... it is lacking in one important fundamental aspect, viz., the role of consciousness [which] could in fact be considered the most fundamental aspect of physics. Given that conciousness seems all too

Re: Platonia

2011-03-04 Thread 1Z
On Mar 4, 8:02 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Somehow. The fundamentality arrow is roughly like this: NUMBERS =   UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS = PHYSICAL LAWS = BIOLOGICAL CONSCIOUSNESS.   On the other hand: PHYSICS=COMPUTATION=CONSCIOUSNESS=NUMBERS Shows how computationalism is

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread 1Z
On Mar 4, 2:20 pm, Andrew Soltau andrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect we all may. Wong states that, important as a grand unified theory might be, ... it is lacking in one important fundamental aspect, viz., the role of consciousness [which] could in fact be considered the most

Re: Platonia

2011-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Mar 2011, at 15:24, 1Z wrote: On Mar 4, 8:02 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Somehow. The fundamentality arrow is roughly like this: NUMBERS = UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS = PHYSICAL LAWS = BIOLOGICAL CONSCIOUSNESS. On the other hand:

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Mar 2011, at 17:31, 1Z wrote: On Mar 4, 2:20 pm, Andrew Soltau andrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect we all may. Wong states that, important as a grand unified theory might be, ... it is lacking in one important fundamental aspect, viz., the role of consciousness [which] could

Re: Reversal without primary matter elimination (step 7)

2011-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Mar 2011, at 15:13, 1Z wrote: On Mar 4, 7:57 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Mar 2011, at 18:39, 1Z wrote: If you have a UDA inside a physical universe, I guess you mean a UD inside a physical universe. UDA is for the UD-Argument. The Universal Dovetailer

Re: Reversal without primary matter elimination (step 7)

2011-03-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/4/2011 6:13 AM, 1Z wrote: On Mar 4, 7:57 am, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Mar 2011, at 18:39, 1Z wrote: If you have a UDA inside a physical universe, I guess you mean a UD inside a physical universe. UDA is for the UD-Argument. The

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/4/2011 6:20 AM, Andrew Soltau wrote: I suspect we all may. Wong states that, important as a grand unified theory might be, ... it is lacking in one important fundamental aspect, viz., the role of consciousness [which] could in fact be considered the most fundamental aspect of physics.

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Brent Meeker
Collapse appears to instruments as well as people - that's why we can shared records of experiments and agree on them. I'm not sure what you mean by account for collapse. At least one interpretation of QM, advocated by Peres, Fuchs, and Omnes for example, is that the collapse is purely

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Andrew Soltau
I remind you that we are in the everything list which is based on the idea that everything is simpler than something. If we take Chalmers and Bitbol seriously, consciousness is a perfectly symmetrical emergent property of the Everything, and you can't get much simpler than that. -- You

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Evgenii, On 04 Mar 2011, at 13:05, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks for answers. As usual, they are very enjoyable. From my side I can offer nothing more. I guess that at the moment my point of view is some eclectic mixture, basically I am just collecting different ideas and

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Andrew Soltau
On 04/03/11 19:10, Brent Meeker wrote: Collapse appears to instruments as well as people We don't have any evidence for that, indeed, if we take either the concept of Wigner's friend or Rovelli's RQM seriously, this is not the case. - that's why we can shared records of experiments and agree

Re: ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-04 Thread Andrew Soltau
Although the moments, as defined by Everett's formulation, must have overlapping definitions, The new metaphor perfectly reflects one aspect of the situation. The experiential state, meaning the contents of the sensorium, is in all likelihood updated in exactly such a way. At the same time,

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 10:48:38AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: So I will be franc. The problem of interaction is not solved at all, even between third person describable objects. And the problem of how many first person really exist is also an open problem, although I tend more and more to