Fw: H+ Summit @Melbourne 25-26th of June 2011 (Australia)

2011-06-07 Thread Wei Dai
From: Adam A. Ford Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 7:30 PM To: Wei Dai Subject: H+ Summit @Melbourne 25-26th of June 2011 (Australia) Hi Wei Dai, I saw your everything list, and wanted to post an event there, but I am not a member, and even if I became one would just be a newbie. So if you feel l

Re: TIME warp

2011-06-07 Thread Felix Hoenikker
Hi guys, Time travel is actually possible, as long as you are consistent (i.e. Novikov self-consistency principle). Please consider the argument for it, beginning at: http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/hr4x2/physicists_what_do_you_think_of_the_following/ Continue the discussion there a

Fwd: Physics

2011-06-07 Thread Felix Hoenikker
Hi everything-list guys, does anyone have any suggestions for our friend Pete down here? He is eager to learn physics! Contact him directly if you have any suggestions. Stephen -- Forwarded message -- From: Felix Hoenikker Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Physics To

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-07 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, JoMC is relatively new. My own institution (Unimelb) doesn't subscribe the Journal is very specialized as well The ISI search engine won't see it either. It takes time for the journals to earn enough cred to get visible and accessible... even the Journal of Consciousness Studies has

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, I agree with your assessment of that Wiki article. In most universities the prevalent ontological doctrine is “dialectical materialism” and such has no allowance for any competition in the realm of ideas. I have pointed out that your result is similar to solipsism but never as a

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:31:35PM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Hi Russell, > >I would like to be sure that I understand your point here. Would > you say that "true determinism", as opposed to "true indeterminism", > requires one-to-one mappings between any two adjoining links in the > ca

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Brian Tenneson
Self aware in what sense? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Felix Hoenikker wrote: > Sorry again, but I want to add one thing: > > The broadest mathematical closure of "the existence of computation", > "the observation of consciousness anywhere" suggests the following, in > my mind: all possible nu

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2011, at 16:32, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Jun 2011, at 04:00, Jason Resch wrote: I guess you mean some sort of "spiritualism" for immaterialism, which is a consequence of comp (+ some Occam). Especially that you already d

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-07 Thread meekerdb
Even an affiliation doesn't seem to help. Brent On 6/7/2011 1:49 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Colin, Any chance that us non-university affiliated types can get a copy of your paper? Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Colin Hales Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:42 AM To:

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Pete Hughes wrote: > Jason, > > I found this compelling, are you saying that the difficulty of explaining > qualia is due to the language centre of the brain being able to access only > an abstract 'interface' (I'm a object oriented thinker) of the sensors? then >

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, From: Bruno Marchal Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:00 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation Hi Stephen, On 06 Jun 2011, at 05:27, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, Rex and Friends, My .002$... [BM]

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 07 Jun 2011, at 04:00, Jason Resch wrote: > > I guess you mean some sort of "spiritualism" for immaterialism, which is a > consequence of comp (+ some Occam). Especially that you already defend the > idea that the computations are in (ar

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2011, at 05:58, Richard Ruquist wrote: Rex, Is not what you attribute to Bruno just standard MWI (Many Worlds) thinking? Many Worlds usually assumes the existence of (a) physical world(s). The point is that digital mechanism *entails* already a testable form of many-worlds/man

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2011, at 04:00, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Rex Allen wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> Perhaps so, perhaps there

Re: Mathematical closure of consciousness and computation

2011-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2011, at 00:52, Rex Allen wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Russell Standish > wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:42:46PM -0400, Rex Allen wrote: How can any of those questions be approached by conscious entities in a deterministic computational framework? Everything you’ll

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Colin, Any chance that us non-university affiliated types can get a copy of your paper? Onward! Stephen -Original Message- From: Colin Hales Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:42 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: COMP refutation paper - finally out Hi, Hales, C.

COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-07 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, Hales, C. G. 'On the Status of Computationalism as a Law of Nature', International Journal of Machine Consciousness vol. 3, no. 1, 2011. 1-35. http://dx.doi.org/10.1142/S1793843011000613 The paper has finally been published. Phew what an epic! cheers Colin -- You received this message