Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-09-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 28, 2012 12:56:23 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: But you don't need a living cell to transmit a signal. Yes, so there is nothing unique about biology. That is my point. Why have a cell?

Re: Epiphenomenalism (was: Re: Bruno's Restaurant)

2012-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Sep 2012, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal and all, from Leibniz's point of view: 1) Free will is possible with L's determinism if defined in the following way: if the monad sees the appetite, then the action is free will. If not, not. I would have said that this is

Re: Epiphenomenalism

2012-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Sep 2012, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote: On 9/27/2012 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or other machine to behave in a way not predictable by purely physical laws. But this cannot be entirely correct. Consciousness will make your

Re: Prime Numbers

2012-09-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Sep 2012, at 18:46, meekerdb wrote: On 9/27/2012 1:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Sep 2012, at 19:29, meekerdb wrote: On 9/25/2012 9:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: snip So you mean if some mathematical

Re: Epiphenomenalism

2012-09-28 Thread meekerdb
On 9/28/2012 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Sep 2012, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote: On 9/27/2012 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or other machine to behave in a way not predictable by purely physical laws. But this cannot be

Re: Forget Zombies, Let's Talk Torture

2012-09-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/27/2012 11:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Are you saying that you expect replacing someone's brain would be no more problematic than replacing any other body part? Craig Hi Craig, I kinda have to side with Stathis a bit here. The problem that you are hinging

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-09-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/28/2012 12:56 AM, John Clark wrote: Because Evolution couldn't figure out how to make a microchip, but people can. Isn't this really just an evasion of the point that evolution made people so that it could make micro-chips? Evolution is ether universal or it is a bad and not even

Re: Forget Zombies, Let's Talk Torture

2012-09-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 28, 2012 2:44:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/27/2012 11:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Are you saying that you expect replacing someone's brain would be no more problematic than replacing any other body part? Craig Hi Craig, I kinda have to

Re: Forget Zombies, Let's Talk Torture

2012-09-28 Thread John Mikes
Brent, I 'experienced' such situation in 1944 when the Nazi Gendarme's Pol. Police arrested me on suspicion to be part of the underground anti-Nazis (what was true). I made them 'believe' about being an at least 'neutral' grad student so they asked questions before torture started. I was

Fwd: Fwd: Sokal-type hoax on two theological conferences

2012-09-28 Thread meekerdb
John Clark at least will appreciate this. :-) Original Message To: Skeptic skep...@lists.johnshopkins.edu mailto:skep...@lists.johnshopkins.edu http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/a-sokal-style-hoax-by-an-anti-religious-philosopher-2/ - But today I’m

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-09-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:37 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: But you don't need a living cell to transmit a signal. That is my

Re: Re: Epiphenomenalism (was: Re: Bruno's Restaurant)

2012-09-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal and all, from Leibniz's point of view: 1) Free will is possible with L's determinism if defined in the following way: if the monad sees the appetite, then the action is free will. If not, not. 2) Consciousness does not emerge from matter, it is a fulgeration of the All (the

Re: Re: Forget Zombies, Let's Talk Torture

2012-09-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg I never picked up on this Zombie debate and acting, but the world according to Leibniz is a theater in which everything happens as if there are actual forces and masses, but which is actually controlled by a different form of logic than Newtonian mechanics etc. Roger

Transplanting the soul

2012-09-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Craig Weinberg and Stathisp, You identity is only partly in your brain, it is in your dna, your body and your history. The sum totality of your identity is called your soul, which suggests a serious shortcoming of materialis. So far materialists deny that there is such a thing as a soul. And

Re: Unto Others (very interesting)

2012-09-28 Thread Alberto G. Corona
The second book has the explanation, the first, is the mechanism. The oxitocin as many other hormones, are a mechanism that fix or promotes a set of behaviours instead of others. Hormonal discharge is the mechanism that the mammals have for modulating middle-long term responses. (For short term