Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 10:13 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb wrote: On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would t

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 18 July 2013 14:34, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Would this kind of universality of human sense

Re: The 2nd Law resurrects Wallace's forgotten goal-directed theory of evolution

2013-07-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:36:26PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Alfred Russell Wallace developed a theory of evolution about the same > time as Darwin, but his model allowed for Aristotle"end causation", > meaning goal-directed change. > > To the Darwinian materialists of the time, this s

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread meekerdb
On 7/17/2013 8:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the connections between words,

Re: Cross Modal Synesthetic Abstraction

2013-07-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 July 2013 05:37, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:32:28 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the >> connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely c

RE: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread chris peck
>> That said, Roger's point is not entirely wrong either. I can imagine >> scenarios where someone acting according to politically incorrect >> stereotypes could make themselves safer. If I hated Jews I probably wouldn't visit Israel and get killed by a Palestinian bomb. But, for those people

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Jul 17, 2013, at 5:21 PM, chris peck wrote: Hi Rog A taste for fat 'helped us survive' back in the day. Doesnt mean it will be much use now. Infact now it just causes obesity and revulsion in the people you should be trying to attract. I believe the best evidence for the cause o

RE: Capitalism : the way of creating wealth OUT OF THIN AIR

2013-07-17 Thread chris peck
@ Telmo > Free markets assume rational agents performing symmetrical > transactions for their one self-interest. What we have in reality is a > centralised secret bureaucracy with unchecked economical and > regulatory powers. The 70s through to the 00s was typified by the dismantling of Glass-Ste

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread chris peck
Hi Rog A taste for fat 'helped us survive' back in the day. Doesnt mean it will be much use now. Infact now it just causes obesity and revulsion in the people you should be trying to attract. The ecology changes, see? Same with racism. If it ever was of use, unlikely but 'if' it was, nowadays

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I don´t know why, but Roger don´t seems to understand that. I doubt that he read the responses. 2013/7/17 Jesse Mazer > Roger, can you please stop using this list as an outlet for any thoughts > you have about politics and such? If it isn't related to the multiverse or > some other fundamental

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Richard Ruquist
My chickens are racist. That is, being free range, they tend to hang out in clusters where color is the common denominator. That suggests to me that racism is a natural phenomenon. Richard On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Jul 2013, at 15:52, Roger Clough wrote: >

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread spudboy100
We are not naturally racists, it is a learned thing, and more of a thing used for group cohesion. It is easier to break up in recognized teams, to compete for resources, to make war. What drives most males is not racism but sexism, so we can have as many sexual experiences as we'd like. Women d

The 2nd Law resurrects Wallace's forgotten goal-directed theory of evolution

2013-07-17 Thread Roger Clough
Alfred Russell Wallace developed a theory of evolution about the same time as Darwin, but his model allowed for Aristotle"end causation", meaning goal-directed change. To the Darwinian materialists of the time, this smacked of the hand of God controlling evolution, so Wallace's theory was ge

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2013, at 15:52, Roger Clough wrote: Jesus said to love our neighbors, but he didn't say to go looking for strangers to love. On the boundaries the neighbor is the stranger. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Jul 2013, at 02:16, Pierz wrote: I pretty much agree with you Jason. The materialist simply posits that the conciousness of a person (or conscious being) represents a static track through the 4d block universe, misperceived as changing due to something about the way the brain process

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Jul 2013, at 17:29, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Craig Weinberg > wrote: On Friday, July 12, 2013 10:49:20 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: I think functionalism (or more specifically, computationalism) is the currently leading theory of mind among cognitive scie

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Jesse Mazer
Roger, can you please stop using this list as an outlet for any thoughts you have about politics and such? If it isn't related to the multiverse or some other fundamental metaphysical issues like consciousness, it doesn't belong here. Jesse On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Roger Clough wrote:

Leibniz on the limitations of mathematical physics

2013-07-17 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz on the limitations of mathematical physics http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz/ "I discovered Aristotle as a lad, and even the Scholastics did not repel me; even now I do not regret this. But then Plato too, and Plotinus, gave me some satisfaction, not to mention other ancient th

Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
It's very hard to resist triggering Godwin's law on this one. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Political correctness is likely to get you killed. Speaking only form experience, this is certainly not true in Europe. I've lived in several European cities without ever avoiding

We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely to get you killed.

2013-07-17 Thread Roger Clough
Political correctness is likely to get you killed. We are all naturally racists. Blame it on Darwin. Zenophobia -- fear or dislike of outsiders--is what has allowed us to survive. Unfortunately the liberalized dictionaries I can find online refer to it as "abnormal" or "irrational". Is it abn