Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2013, at 19:23, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: [your] body-copy will be in two places, [you] can feel to be in only one place. If the copies are really identical then you feel to be in only one place (insofar as

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2013, at 03:25, chris peck wrote: Hi Bruno I don't see why. There is a chance of 1/2 to feel oneself in M, and of 1/2 to feel oneself in W, but the probability is 1 (assuming comp, the protocol, etc.) to find oneself alive. This begs the question. You make a quote out of

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2013, at 03:37, LizR wrote: If Helsinki man understands the situation, he will assign a 100% probability to him being duplicated and ending in both places. Similarly a physicist who believes in MWI will assign a 100% probability to him splitting and observing all possible

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2013, at 05:50, chris peck wrote: Hi Liz Oh dear, I think I will go and lie down now. (Or then again, I won't...) Precisely. Being a true MWI believer you can be certain of both. :) Then we can be certain that we are all the same person. We all comes from the same

Re: AUDA and pronouns

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2013, at 22:02, meekerdb wrote: On 10/9/2013 12:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Oct 2013, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: On 10/8/2013 2:51 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 10:20:14AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Oct 2013, at 07:36, Russell Standish wrote:

Re: And the 2013 Nobel Prize in Physics goes to…

2013-10-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2013, at 22:22, meekerdb wrote: On 10/9/2013 12:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Oct 2013, at 23:56, LizR wrote: http://www.quantumdiaries.org/2013/10/08/and-the-2013-nobel-prize-in-physics-goes-to/ Today the 2013 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to François Englert

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 8:30:16 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 October 2013 13:03, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:52:46 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 October 2013 09:47, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: It's not that

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The question is will he turn into the Moscow Man or the Washington Man, Yes. Thank you! and that depends on one thing and one thing only, what information he receives. Not at all. What do you mean not at all?!

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-10 Thread LizR
On 11 October 2013 04:54, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Unless a machine used living organisms, molecules would probably be the only natural things which an experience would be associated with. They don't know that they are part of a machine, but there is probably an experience

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread LizR
Both M and W man would have a continuous feeling of identity with H man. I don't see that you two really have opposing viewpoints, although as usual I may be missing something. Of course if the brain can't be considered digital at any level (as Kermit suggests) then this is actually impossible,

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-10 Thread LizR
On 11 October 2013 11:37, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:32:54 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 11 October 2013 04:54, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Unless a machine used living organisms, molecules would probably be the only natural things

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 6:53:18 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 11 October 2013 11:37, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:32:54 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 11 October 2013 04:54, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Unless a machine

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread LizR
On 11 October 2013 13:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/10/2013 1:36 PM, LizR wrote: Both M and W man would have a continuous feeling of identity with H man. I don't see that you two really have opposing viewpoints, although as usual I may be missing something. Of course if

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 9 October 2013 05:25, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303492504579115310362925246.html A lot of what I am always talking about is in there...computers don't understand produce because they have no aesthetic sensibility. A mechanical

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10 October 2013 12:25, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno I don't see why. There is a chance of 1/2 to feel oneself in M, and of 1/2 to feel oneself in W, but the probability is 1 (assuming comp, the protocol, etc.) to find oneself alive. This begs the question. And the

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

2013-10-10 Thread Pierz
I'm puzzled by the controversy over this issue - although given that I'm not a physicist and my understanding comes from popular renditions of MWI by Deutsch and others, it may be me who's missing the point. But in my understanding of Deutsch's version of MWI, the reason for Born

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-10 Thread meekerdb
On 10/10/2013 5:36 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 October 2013 13:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/10/2013 1:36 PM, LizR wrote: Both M and W man would have a continuous feeling of identity with H man. I don't see that you two really have

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

2013-10-10 Thread meekerdb
So there are infinitely many identical universes preceding a measurement. How are these universes distinct from one another? Do they divide into two infinite subsets on a binary measurement, or do infinitely many come into existence in order that some branch-counting measure produces the