Re: Max and FPI

On 3/23/2014 11:27 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 March 2014 17:48, chris peck > wrote: The only person in any doubt was you wasn't it Liz? Er, no, lots of people got the wrong end of the stick and argued about it at length. I was one of the ones who said he proba

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On 3/23/2014 11:30 PM, LizR wrote: On 24 March 2014 17:41, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/23/2014 8:57 PM, LizR wrote: /Is/ DNA a universal programming language? I'm not sure what a "universal programming language" means. Just 1s and 0s are enough languag

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On 24 March 2014 17:41, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/23/2014 8:57 PM, LizR wrote: > > *Is* DNA a universal programming language? > > > I'm not sure what a "universal programming language" means. Just 1s and > 0s are enough language. I think you probably mean to ask is whether a cell > is a universal

Re: Max and FPI

On 24 March 2014 17:48, chris peck wrote: > The only person in any doubt was you wasn't it Liz? > Er, no, lots of people got the wrong end of the stick and argued about it at length. I was one of the ones who said he probably meant ... whatever it turned out he meant. (Maybe I just don't have en

RE: Max and FPI

The only person in any doubt was you wasn't it Liz? I found Tegmark's presentation very disappointing. He was alarmingly apologetic about MWI pleading that its flaws were mitigated by the fact other interpretations had similar flaws; as if the fact someone else is ill would make you less ill yo

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On 3/23/2014 8:57 PM, LizR wrote: /Is/ DNA a universal programming language? I'm not sure what a "universal programming language" means. Just 1s and 0s are enough language. I think you probably mean to ask is whether a cell is a universal computer with DNA as the program. I don't know if t

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

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Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On 24 March 2014 15:52, Russell Standish wrote: > Or better still, perform multi-objective optimisation by way of a Pareto > front. > > That way fast, but inaccurate agents don't dominate slow and > deliberate ones. > > The multiple objectives being speed of execution and length of output? -- Y

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 01:15:54PM +1300, LizR wrote: > The use of oracles to see if a programme will halt strikes me as > unnecessary. Why not define fitness as producing a suitable output within a > suitable time (a real organism that always did the most optimal thing, but > only did so slowly, w

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

I should have said that's only for the ones that output numbers rather than computable functions etc. On 24 March 2014 13:15, LizR wrote: > The use of oracles to see if a programme will halt strikes me as > unnecessary. Why not define fitness as producing a suitable output within a > suitable t

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

The use of oracles to see if a programme will halt strikes me as unnecessary. Why not define fitness as producing a suitable output within a suitable time (a real organism that always did the most optimal thing, but only did so slowly, wouldn't survive very long). So one could simply run each prog

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

One might note that at the end of Chapter Three (Proving Darwin) Greg has the "caveat" "Metabiology in its present form cannot address thinking and consciousness, fascinating those these be." (page 21). I do not see any reason why plants should not be included. If one has the inspiration to im

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 4:49:48 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Continued... > > On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 21,

Re: Tegmark and UDA

Aguirre - In a usual first-order phase transition, bubbles nucleate, expand, overlap, and percolate so that the phase transition completes and releases a certain amount of latent heat (depending upon the details of the potential). I didn't realise before that cosmology was to closely related to m

Re: Video of VCR

On 22 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: Continued... On Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:54:41 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 19:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2014 4:44:20 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Mar 2014, at 02:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Max and FPI

He's talking about the fact that you get about 50% 0s and 50% 1s ... as we were discussing recently. I trust this clears up any lingering doubts about what he meant by this. On 23 March 2014 18:50, Russell Standish wrote: > On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 11:27:13PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: > > Here's Ma