Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 02:04, meekerdb wrote: Yet that seems to be what Quentin requires in order to say to instances of the MG compute the same function. Knowing the universal number or knowing the function is like the problem of knowing all the correct counterfactuals. The MG is supposed

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread LizR
As someone said... Man created God in his own image: Intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread LizR
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/female-scientists-quit-2014071588582 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help. 2014-07-15 13:05 GMT+02:00, LizR lizj...@gmail.com: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/female-scientists-quit-2014071588582 -- You received this message because you are

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
May I suggest you try water instead of corona ? Or maybe coconut water ? it may help you to climb faster... 2014-07-15 13:44 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help.

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is atheistic humor? Perhaps too much atheism can endanger the cognitive hability for creating good jokes. I don´t know. Or it may be the consequences of too much exposition to this particular atheists affirmation group. Some controlled experiments are necessary. 2014-07-15 13:49

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: That is atheistic humor? Not at all it is humor for stupid... Maybe I should try humor for fascist homophobic mysoginistic christian asshole ? It would certainly be better suited for the kind of marvelous coconut climber your

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This new joke is even worse Try burning something. You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. 2014-07-15 14:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-07-15 14:06 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: That is atheistic humor? Not at all it is

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: This new joke is even worse Try burning something. Hmm good idea, are you free for dinner ? You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. 2014-07-15 14:24 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That is better. Congrats! 2014-07-15 14:50 GMT+02:00, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-07-15 14:39 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: This new joke is even worse Try burning something. Hmm good idea, are you free for dinner ? You are sick of hate, and you also

Re: What's the answer? What's the question?

2014-07-15 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 02:04, meekerdb wrote: Yet that seems to be what Quentin requires in order to say to instances of the MG compute the same function. Knowing the universal number or knowing the function is like the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-07-15 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Of course there is. You know when in Helsinki, (as a comp believer) John Clark is NOT a comp believer. what do you expect about the evolution of your subjective life, There are now 2 , so which subjective life? like

RE: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
You are sick of hate, and you also are badly in need of help. I see Alberto is in a helping mood this morning. Such a pious man. Bravo Alberto! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 18:06, Samiya Illias wrote: On 14-Jul-2014, at 11:08 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:09, Samiya Illias wrote: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Good point, especially coming from a literalist :) :) I agree that God,

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
To tell the truth is the most friendly and helpful. Truth make you free. first the truth, then, love. If you have friends that don´t tell you the naked and painful truth then they are not real friends. They lie you to make you useful for them, to enslave you. Truth in the other side, empowers you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: most people choose the religion of their parents, as part of culture and are comfortable confirming to social norms, instead of honest intellectual inquiry and search. Yes, all the people in the middle east didn't

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Atheist To tell the truth is the most friendly and helpful. Truth make you free. first the truth, then, love. If you have

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Samiya Illias
On 15-Jul-2014, at 12:57 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: most people choose the religion of their parents, as part of culture and are comfortable confirming to social norms, instead of honest

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Clark
The following is from the Sam Harris book The End Of Faith. Open the Koran, which is perfect in its every syllable, and simply read it with the eyes of faith. You will see how little compassion need be wasted on those whom God himself is in the process of “mocking,” “cursing,” “shaming,”

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2014 12:27 PM, John Clark wrote: Yes, the Bible contains its own sadistic lunacy—but the above quotations can be fairly said to convey the central message of the Qur’an—and of Islam at nearly every moment in its history. The Qur’an does not contain anything like a Sermon on the Mount.

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com: Why do you need to see God to believe in God? Why should you

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-07-15 22:10 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 17:25, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 17:13 GMT+02:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 14 Jul 2014, at 12:53, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-07-14 12:09 GMT+02:00 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com Well I can accept such language in mathematics where you make clear what is meant, not in every day use when someone says he *believes* in god, that's not what he meant... That's what I don't like in your

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread LizR
I like men. Well, most men. (There are bad apples in every barrel...) On 15 July 2014 23:44, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Poor you. It must be very hard to live with such insane hate against men. It must hurt you a lot. You need help. 2014-07-15 13:05 GMT+02:00, LizR

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jul 2014, at 15:09, David Nyman wrote: On 12 July 2014 20:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Of course they wouldn't because 17 is a prime number is a tautology. It's true simply in virtue

Re: Brent's circular ontology [was: Is Consciousness Computable?]

2014-07-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Jul 2014, at 20:43, meekerdb wrote: On 7/14/2014 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 02:07, meekerdb wrote: On 7/13/2014 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then, look at my preceding post to you. I don't know for Tegmark, but computationalism excels in differentiating and

Re: Atheist

2014-07-15 Thread John Mikes
Dear Samiya, thanks unlimitedly for your kind and information-laden response that opens eyes (mine included). I fell into political turmoil at an early age (WWII) and struggled to learn how to make a living in science/technology. I learned Latin and Gothic alphabets at 4-5 (on my own), Cyrillic

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
sounds interesting-how is performance/maintenance? Cars can be transitioned to electric power pretty easily. I just bought a Chevy Volt and over the first thousand miles we've burned less than 7gal of gas. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To:

RE: The subtle distinction between belief faith

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Some quoted passages from Alan Watts (author of The Wisdom of Insecurity - 1951) regarding the distinction between belief and faith that seemed pertinent to me to several of the discussion threads going on here. Chris Quoting him: We must here make a clear distinction between belief and

Re: The subtle distinction between belief faith

2014-07-15 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2014 7:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Some quoted passages from Alan Watts (author of The Wisdom of Insecurity - 1951) regarding the distinction between belief and faith that seemed pertinent to me to several of the discussion threads going on here. Chris

RE: The subtle distinction between belief faith

2014-07-15 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 7:47 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The subtle distinction between belief faith On 7/15/2014 7:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via