On 9/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think that the cerebral stem + the cortex plays a key role, from the reading of Hobson
theory of mind. I say more on this in "conscience et mécanisme", where I explained also
why the Gödelian-Löbian Theatetus "[]p & p" saves machines and humans from
On 9/19/2014 9:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Sep 2014, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 5:46 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
Consciousness has a state (which we call the
observer moment). If that state differs, then the state of the
supervened must also differ.
Thus consciousness canno
On 9/19/2014 8:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 4:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> We have no way to measure or detect consciousness,
That certainly isn't true in my case, there is one particular consciousness
that
I'm very ve
On 9/19/2014 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Sep 2014, at 19:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 23:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/17/2014 6:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That does not follow, as thermostat are not universal, and in particular ha
The process does seem, if we think of it this way, to be intelligent, yes.
But this is a definition of intelligence that most would not consider: An
intelligence is the collection of behaviors of a system that tend to
increase the number of possible future states.
My wording doesn't quite look r
Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious?
On 20 September 2014 03:01, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
> Dear Bruno,
>
>I agree, this introduces the possibility that the "inhibiting or
> activation of gene" aspect is the "running of the particular algorithm"
> while the
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> In some post you have acknowledge that consciousness is not something
> located in a brain.
>
I don't even know what the location of a consciousness even means.
> Two identical brains in different space-time locations will determine
> (as
On 19 Sep 2014, at 15:01, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Telmo,
Sorry but I cannot elaborate on how Bose-Einstein Condensates BECs
act as one particle.
It is just how they are described in the literature, yet is is also
said that BECs may contain vortices
But BECs have amazing properties.
At Har
On 19 Sep 2014, at 10:42, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:03 AM, meekerdb
wrote:
On 9/18/2014 4:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> We have no way to measure or detect consciousness,
That certainly isn't true in my case, there is one particular
consciousness that I'm very ver
On 19 Sep 2014, at 04:53, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:09:56PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 5:46 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
Consciousness has a state (which we call the
observer moment). If that state differs, then the state of the
supervened must also differ.
T
On 19 Sep 2014, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 5:46 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
Consciousness has a state (which we call the
observer moment). If that state differs, then the state of the
supervened must also differ.
Thus consciousness cannot supervene on the UD* as it doesn't change
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I think the capability to "think about thinking", would be the
ultimate thing to decide if someone or something is truly conscious.
And yes I'm Duplainville even though were alive you're not
compl
On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:46, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:05:26PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Self-aware means "aware of your self".
Hmm... It is a bit ambiguous, because that awareness can be
implicit, like I assume for the consciousness of a worm, or
explicit, which I a
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 Telmo Menezes wrote:
> Yes, I am a product of evolution and I am conscious.
>
I'm glad we agree on that.
> > This does not imply that evolution produces consciousness.
>
Of course it does.
> You can propose a theory on how consciousness emerges from, for example,
> brai
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 18 Sep 2014, at 17:33, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>
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> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> > There might be non relationship between consciousness and smartn
On 19 Sep 2014, at 02:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 4:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> We have no way to measure or detect consciousness,
That certainly isn't true in my case, there is one particular
consciousness that I'm very very good at detecting, and although I
can't prove it I have
On 18 Sep 2014, at 19:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/18/2014 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 23:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/17/2014 6:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That does not follow, as thermostat are not universal, and in
particular have no universal goal, like do anything to
Dear Bruno,
I agree, this introduces the possibility that the "inhibiting or
activation of gene" aspect is the "running of the particular algorithm"
while the mutation and selection aspect might be seen as a process on the
space of algorithms.
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wr
On 18 Sep 2014, at 17:33, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM, John Clark
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
> There might be non relationship between consciousness and smartness.
If there is not a relationship between consciousness and smar
On 18 Sep 2014, at 17:12, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
>> If there is not a relationship between consciousness and
smartness then Darwin was wrong,
> Proof?
FOR GOD'S SAKE! For the last several years in post after post after
post after post
On 01 Sep 2014, at 17:57, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Brent,
Have you seen any studies of the "Ameoba dubia" that look into
what their genome is expressing? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933061/
seems to suggest to me the possibility that the genome is acting
as a "br
Telmo,
Sorry but I cannot elaborate on how Bose-Einstein Condensates BECs act as
one particle.
It is just how they are described in the literature, yet is is also said
that BECs may contain vortices
But BECs have amazing properties.
At Harvard and probably elsewhere, they experimentally can slow
Hi Richard,
> In my papers I have conjectured that consciousness is a BEC effect because
> apparently in a BEC of particles, for all these particles to act as one,
> each particle must be aware of all others or at least its nearest
> neighbors. If so, for consciousness to also be a computation, t
Telmo,
In my papers I have conjectured that consciousness is a BEC effect because
apparently in a BEC of particles, for all these particles to act as one,
each particle must be aware of all others or at least its nearest
neighbors. If so, for consciousness to also be a computation, then BECs
must
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 9/18/2014 4:20 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> > We have no way to measure or detect consciousness,
>>>
>>
>> That certainly isn't true in my case, there is one particular
>> consciousness that I'm very very good at detecting, and although
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