Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Shut up. It's all information processing. It's all information processing. Stop thinking please El 12/10/2014 05:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net escribió: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the nothing but

Re: Fwd: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
If consciousness is an epiphenomenon then all the rest is an epi-epiphenomenon. On Sunday, October 12, 2014, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Are We Really Conscious? By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO OF the three most fundamental scientific questions about the human condition, two have been

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:05 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Are We Really Conscious? By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO OF the three most fundamental scientific questions about the human condition, two have been answered. First, what is our relationship to the rest of the universe?

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Samiya Illias wrote: On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:42 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 05:40, Samiya Illias wrote: On 10-Oct-2014, at 3:21 am, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 21:36, John Clark wrote: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: physics does not even address the problem of qualia And neither does religion. But the greek theology did, by addressing the mind-body problem, in fact the problem of relating the soul (which I handle

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence about your wisdom on the list, because you did not refer to my question:

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 21:16, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, mickey.beerg...@gmail.com wrote: God has spoken to me...3 times. God has only spoken to me once, He said Vm, unless it was just my neighbor's lawn mower. I give you a tip. Use ear-plug when you

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-10-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Oct 2014, at 23:13, meekerdb wrote: On 10/10/2014 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Oct 2014, at 23:48, meekerdb wrote: On 10/9/2014 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-10-09 23:23 GMT+02:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2014-10-09 22:02 GMT+02:00 John Clark

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 00:21, John Mikes wrote: Samiya, I did not participate in the sequence

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Consider the following verses of Chapter 75:16-19 Stir not thy tongue herewith to hasten it. Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together thereof and the reading thereof. And when We read it, follow thou the reading;

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? If you're trying to make some point, its not clear to me. Samiya On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:36 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct 2014, at 20:37, Samiya Illias wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Oct

Re: generalizations_of_islam

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: physics does not even address the problem of qualia And neither does religion. But the greek theology did, Baloney. by addressing the mind-body problem, So the ancient Greeks said that what a thing is and

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? Not necessary, those quotations speak for themselves and are quite clear. They need no explanation from you. If you're trying to make some

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On 12-Oct-2014, at 10:12 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Would you like specific explanations to the verses you've quoted below? Not necessary, those quotations speak for themselves and

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. If the Quran has told Muslims to put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and if the Quran really is the word of God then you will be in a

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread Samiya Illias
On 12-Oct-2014, at 10:52 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote Those verses instructing slaughter are on the context of war, not peace. If the Quran has told Muslims to put terror into the hearts of the

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
If the universe is a toroid as predicted by string theory, then the universe has on center On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:05 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Are We Really Conscious? By MICHAEL S. A. GRAZIANO

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the nothing but information processing theory needs to explain what is different about my conscious information

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
Not sure what this has to do with Are We Really Conscious? (Unless this is something to do with the feeling everyone has of being at the centre of the universe???...) On 13 October 2014 09:49, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: If the universe is a toroid as predicted by string theory,

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask where did God come from? so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultimate (or original) causes. -- You received this message because

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 12 oct. 2014 23:31, LizR lizj...@gmail.com a écrit : On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the nothing but information processing theory needs to

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread LizR
On 13 October 2014 10:41, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Le 12 oct. 2014 23:31, LizR lizj...@gmail.com a écrit : On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information

Re: Are We Really Conscious? (NYT Article today)

2014-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2014 2:31 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 October 2014 16:11, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Just like I have a problem with Bruno's theory because it imputes consciousness to information processing like DNA, the nothing but information processing

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-12 Thread meekerdb
On 10/12/2014 2:35 PM, LizR wrote: I imagine most philosophers don't think about God because God isn't a very good explanation for anything. You just have to ask where did God come from? so see that you've just been diverted away from the quest for knowledge of ultimate (or original) causes.

Re: MGA revisited paper + supervenience

2014-10-12 Thread John Clark
For your information I like information because Information is computable. such non-computable feature could be primitive matter, Not only is there no evidence that non-computable process exist in the physical world there isn't even any reason to think it exists in Plato's abstract