On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 09 Oct 2014, at 21:06, Samiya Illias wrote: > > > > On 09-Oct-2014, at 11:42 pm, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Hmm. Please read this blogpost and let me know if this meets your >> 'demonstrating >> factual accuracy in this sense here, of course.': >> >> http://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2014/06/dhu-al-qarnayn-polar-regions-of-earth.html?m=1 >> >> > > You changed the subject and focus. Why? > > I did not refer to your blog but to this: > > http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Quran_and_science.htm > > You said you disagree and I asked why, which you ignored. > > > In the foundalis link you sent, under 1.2, it quotes Quran Chapter 18 and > goes on to discuss the verses in it. It discusses Dhul Qarnayn's travels. > Therefore I sent my blogpost' link. I have presented my study and > interpretation of other aspects of Chapter 18 also in my blog listed under > blog archive. I sent that link just as an example. > If you find the approach not critical enough, perhaps you can do it in a > more scientific manner, if it interests you. > I can critically try to understand the Quran, looking up meanings and > science research on the topic, but I cannot take the falsifiable approach > simply because I'm convinced that the Arabic text of the Quran is from God, > the Master-Creator, while scientific knowledge is what we are discovering. > So, for me personally, the scripture takes precedence. > > > > This is problematic. You leave the scientific attitude, and you make a > quasi infinite argument per authority error. Like the catholic church which > at least condemn literalism. You might be the one doing the blasphemy, > asserting knowing a public relationship with god. > > It is equivalent with: by definition I do right and you do wrong. Your > literalism is equivalent with insulting all believers not sharing your > assumption, pursuing different ways. > > It would be more appropriate to search on what we all share about God. > > I advocate the scientific attitude in theology. Literalism does not help. > How could we ever "religare" the literalists in different traditions? How > can you be literalist about a subject as complex as God, known for having > no real name, no image, being inconceivable, etc. Your attitude prevents > the doubt which makes possible the progress. I think. > > Bruno > Bruno, you misunderstand me. I speak for my personal self only. Having studied the Quran and using science as a tool to help understand it, I am now fully convinced that the Arabic text of the Quran is indeed revealed scripture. So, my attitude towards it is one of humble submission. There are many verses that are still not clear to me, as I am only human and limited by my knowledge and understanding, yet as a believer I try to look for scientific research and knowledge to help me better understand the verses, instead of rejecting it simply because it is not according to my knowledge or popular current theories. Also, it is important to remember that the verses we speak and try to understand are mostly about creation. So, its basically an exploration and discovery of and about nature. Only a few verses give any idea about God. In fact, a verse clearly states that there is nothing like God, so we really cannot imagine or speculate about God. We can only observe and wonder about the majesty of God through the creation and check how factually accurate the scripture is about creation. I understand that each one of us is at a different level of knowledge and understanding, as well as in their own unique journey of making sense of it all. It is perfectly okay for you and others to doubt and put the verses to the falsification test. I believe that if you're earnestly looking for the truth, God will lead you to it. Also, if someone does not wish to believe, God will never force faith on anyone. Samiya > > > > > > > Samiya > > > Concerning your link, I'd see that as less on-topic for following simple > reason: > > That's interpretation without a critical position against it, and this is > perhaps why there is a disconnect between some of your claims and how some > members, including myself, react. > > A positive aspect of science is that, when done correctly, we are not > forced to trust interpretations. That's why it would be more instructive > for me to see you address the points in the Foundalis link, rather than > what you have interpreted and convinced yourself of already. > > It creates perspective, that would enrich your points perhaps. As a tool, > science tests ideas and reasoning; and contrasting a perspective that > differs from yours, and you refuting it, would tell me much more than > personal interpretation you link to above. 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