Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 smitra smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: ​ ​ You can just define personal identity as a single observer moment, which includes any memories of the outcomes of the duplication experiments, so the string of the W's and M'should be included in the definition of you. ​OK​. ​ ​ But

Leibniz: When God calculates, the world is made

2015-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Leibniz' note on his Dialogs: When God calculates and thinks things through, the world is made. Cum Deus calculat et cogitationem exercet, mundus fit. I have found it in M. Heller, Ultimate Explanations of the Universe. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Pierz
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 1:41:51 PM UTC+10, chris peck wrote: @ Pierz If he refuses to acknowledge MWI as a valid account due to his pronoun concerns, then fine, maybe he should publish a refutation of Everett to that effect. but isn't John's point that pro-nouns do not

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 19:23, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ​ ​the nuance is not in the name or in the pronouns, but in the 1p/3p difference, or in the 1-1p/3-1p difference. ​ ​​In a world with people duplicating machines ​what

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2015, at 19:38, smitra wrote: You can just define personal identity as a single observer moment, That is dangerous talk, but i see what you mean. which includes any memories of the outcomes of the duplication experiments, so the string of the W's and M'should be included in

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2015, at 02:59, Pierz wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 8:06:31 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Aug 2015, at 02:39, Pierz wrote: Mein Gott, this argument reminds me of the fire in Siberia that started burning in the Holocene and is still going. Why do you keep taking

Re: 1P/3P CONFUSION again and again

2015-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote: ​ ​ My point isn't that MWI is true. My point is you understand it and how it leads to the appearance of indeterminacy in a completely determined system. ​ ​ Indeterminacy is a 1-p illusion ​It's either an illusion or it is

Re: The Mental Being

2015-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2015, at 05:54, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno, I'm reading R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. In the Introduction to A Study of Numbers, they quote his last words. It reminds me of your salvia beings. Thought the attached might be of interest to you. Regards, Samiya Nice quote Samya. I

Re: The Mental Being

2015-08-07 Thread Samiya Illias
On 07-Aug-2015, at 9:46 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Aug 2015, at 05:54, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno, I'm reading R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz. In the Introduction to A Study of Numbers, they quote his last words. It reminds me of your salvia beings. Thought the