Re: Do Observer Moments form a Vecor Space?

2017-09-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/3/2017 8:23 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:28:26PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/08/2017 3:17 pm, Russell Standish wrote: I attach a brief PDF of what I have so far. It shows how observer moments, modelled as sets of bitstrings classified by looking at a finit

Re: Do Observer Moments form a Vecor Space?

2017-09-03 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:28:26PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 29/08/2017 3:17 pm, Russell Standish wrote: > >I attach a brief PDF of what I have so far. It shows how observer > >moments, modelled as sets of bitstrings classified by looking at a > >finite number of bits naturally map to vector

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I am thinking something profound that applies to physics, based on math. Invalid proofs are usually mistakes made by amateur math heads, correct? I am not meaning students who are just learning the art, but, masters of the game. The cosmos must resemble math if causality is correct? Or, when is

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 4/09/2017 11:42 am, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: It seems primary, unlike spoken languages. Molecules, Atoms, and Galaxies, run on the math behind the physics, The problem here is with the idea that the universe "runs on maths". That is just begging the question. Maths gives a desc

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
It seems primary, unlike spoken languages. Molecules, Atoms, and Galaxies, run on the math behind the physics, because if the universe ran on French, we would all say Zuit Alor's Mon Deiu! We'd also make a lot of boring movies, which we do never the less. I wonder if there is any math that has

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 4/09/2017 9:00 am, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: I cannot see Math Not being real, because it would fail, enormously, if "laws" of the cosmos, did not work. In other words, we could describe the world via phlogiston mist, or, luminiferous ether (tip o' the hat to the 19th century sci

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/3/2017 3:07 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 3 September 2017 at 17:46, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 9/3/2017 7:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Sep 2017, at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/1/2017 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I cannot see Math Not being real, because it would fail, enormously, if "laws" of the cosmos, did not work. In other words, we could describe the world via phlogiston mist, or, luminiferous ether (tip o' the hat to the 19th century scientists), so it works. If math didn't work, simple objects li

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread David Nyman
On 3 September 2017 at 17:46, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 9/3/2017 7:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 01 Sep 2017, at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On 9/1/2017 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> This leaves, as Bruno says, lots of white rabbits. > That leaves u

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-09-03 Thread Terren Suydam
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 12:20 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Terren Suydam > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> Just trying to agree on a starting point. The only point of the >> teleporter is to establish that there's an unbroken stream of consciousness >> as one is physically reconstit

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/3/2017 7:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Sep 2017, at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/1/2017 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This leaves, as Bruno says, lots of white rabbits. That leaves us in the position of showing that there is no white rabbits or, to refute computationalism b

Re: Is math real?

2017-09-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Sep 2017, at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote: On 9/1/2017 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This leaves, as Bruno says, lots of white rabbits. That leaves us in the position of showing that there is no white rabbits or, to refute computationalism by showing there are still white rabbits, a

Re: A profound lack of profundity (and soon "the starting point")

2017-09-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Sep 2017, at 19:02, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​​So if each of them is the Helsinki person, and if each sees a different city, and if 1+1 is still equal to 2 ,then you tell me, how many cities did the Helsinki person end up seeing?