Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-30 Thread Jesse Mazer
Do traversable wormholes only lead to violations of no-cloning if they allow for closed timelike curves, as discussed at https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/time-travel-via-wormhole-breaks-the-rules-of-quantum-mechanics ? If so, maybe there is the possibility that traversable wormholes wo

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-30 Thread smitra
On 30-01-2022 14:29, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 6:15 AM Lawrence Crowell wrote: _> Whether we develop an AI that surpasses us and continues is rather speculative._ I don't think it's speculative at all, in fact I think it's inevitable. The entire human genome only contains 750

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-30 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 6:15 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *> Whether we develop an AI that surpasses us and continues is rather > speculative.* I don't think it's speculative at all, in fact I think it's inevitable. The entire human genome only contains 750 Mega

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 7:36:04 AM UTC-6 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:52 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > These things are not likely. Traversable wormholes require severe >> violations of known physics, from no-cloning rule in quantum mechanics to >> the basi

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
and better scopes round the solar system.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2022 8:35 am Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:52 AM Lawrence Crowell wrote: > These things are not li

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com ; meekerbr...@gmail.com Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2022 12:51 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 3:33 AM wrote: > Very good, JC, so Hastelloy might be the ticket for a a fission revival? It's not the ticket but it&#

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-28 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well, of course you could be correct in your view on our extinction, and who am I to instruct you otherwise? I'd look for a fusion of species tween machine intel plus ourselves. Sort of like a crab adding a snail shell to it's shell. The machinery adds us for emotional enrichment. Need not be h

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:52 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > These things are not likely. Traversable wormholes require severe > violations of known physics, from no-cloning rule in quantum mechanics to > the basic principles of thermodynamics. What about a One-W

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-28 Thread Lawrence Crowell
These things are not likely. Traversable wormholes require severe violations of known physics, from no-cloning rule in quantum mechanics to the basic principles of thermodynamics. These ideas of Kardashev civilizations are science fiction-fantasies. These things will not happen. certainly not t

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-26 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 3:33 AM wrote: *> Very good, JC, so Hastelloy might be the ticket for a a fission revival?* > It's not the ticket but it's probably part of the ticket. > * > MSR, because of its potential has been spoken of eclipsing the > possibility of fusion as a very long term fix

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-26 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ything List Cc: meekerbr...@gmail.com Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:54 am Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > I quibble as I always must, over the safety and economics of corrosion be it > sodium chloride or s

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-25 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 6:50 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: * > I quibble as I always must, over the safety and economics of corrosion > be it sodium chloride or sodium fluoride. Seems still unresolved regarding > corrosion.* > Degradation of the meta

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-24 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
c: spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Fri, Jan 21, 2022 4:26 am Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 07:35:46AM -0500, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 6:59 PM wrote: >   > >    > For solar you also are presuming, because I have this analysis that > 

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 07:08:29AM -0500, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 3:07 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > >> even with your frugal ways solar cells aren't enough to make you > energ independent, you still have to hook up with the power company.   > > > >

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/22/2022 4:08 AM, John Clark wrote: I know from personal experience that if it wasn't for Willis Carrier's invention of the air conditioner there is no way Florida would be the third most populous of the 50 states, even in mid winter it's not unusual for the temperature to be in the upper

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 3:07 AM Russell Standish wrote: >> even with your frugal ways solar cells aren't enough to make you energ >> independent, you still have to hook up with the power company. > > > *> Of course. We'd need a battery as well. But that's not the point.* I think it is the point

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 07:29:55AM -0500, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:26 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > > > We have solar panels on half our roof (the difficult half, because of > aesthetics, we didn't want to cover the western half that faces the > street). So a

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-21 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 4:26 AM Russell Standish wrote: > * > **We have solar panels on half our **roof (the difficult half, because > of aesthetics, we didn't want to **cover the western half that faces the > street). So about 16kW of **installed capacity. Average production year > round is abou

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 07:35:46AM -0500, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 6:59 PM wrote: >   > > > For solar you also are presuming, because I have this analysis that > counters your assertion of dilute power, thus being insufficient. Kindly > refute.  > https://news.c

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/19/2022 4:35 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 6:59 PM wrote: > /For solar you also are presuming, because I have this analysis that counters your assertion of dilute power, thus being insufficient. Kindly refute. / https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/0

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-19 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/19/2022 4:07 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 12:51:34 AM UTC-6 meeke...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/17/2022 10:22 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: I will leave this for the aerospace engineers. Back to newtonian basics, we need thrust, a

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-19 Thread Henrik Ohrstrom
If you do your slingshoting well and maybe use a black hole or two, your Jupiter scale matrioshka can go really fast. https://www.space.com/halo-drive-black-holes-galaxy-travel.html Also as suprise no-one, solar sailing is faster around more luminous stars. Also in the same article, bouncing sails

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-19 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 6:59 PM wrote: > > *For solar you also are presuming, because I have this analysis that > counters your assertion of dilute power, thus being insufficient. Kindly > refute. * > > https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/10/08/a-new-global-study-refines-estimates-of-rooftop

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread Brent Meeker
n Clark To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2022 1:36 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:30 AM wrote: > /when the automation monster strike/[...] On the day the automation monster strikes your strict opposition to a

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
rk To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2022 1:36 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:30 AM wrote:  > when the automation monster strike [...] On the day the automation monster strikes your strict opposition to any

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:49 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> The evolution of robots will be to robots that want to build more > robots.* It's impossible to predict what something will evolve into although it is possible to predict what something will not evolve into, and a super intelligent computer

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread Brent Meeker
On 1/18/2022 10:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:30 AM wrote: > /when the automation monster strike/[...] On the day the automation monster strikes your strict opposition to any form of socialism or welfare will need to be modified; and that day seems to be coming m

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:30 AM wrote: > *when the automation monster strike* [...] On the day the automation monster strikes your strict opposition to any form of socialism or welfare will need to be modified; and that day seems to be coming much sooner than I thought it would, that's why I

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
t Sent: Tue, Jan 18, 2022 6:21 am Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:22 AM wrote: > My suspicion is the motivator [for space mining ] as such will be money sorry > to say! Why are you sorry to say that? Money is my friend, I like money, nearly everybody

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-18 Thread John Clark
st at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> eex -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18 pm > Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:23 P

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis o0s . -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrot

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
nable. I am not wedded to any one technology, just one that will work to specification. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:23 P

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
My expectation is that wormhole travel is a thing better achieved by a Kardashev 2 civilization. The grandchildren's work at intercepting a large factor of the emitted solar photons. Oh, those crazy grandkids! The figure that I sporadically arrive at is some 40-50 thousand years from now.  Sinc

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread John Clark
d in the early 1960s too. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> o0s . > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Sabine Hossenfelder's video is about the warp drive, based on the Alcubierre warp solution of the Einstein field equations. Her conclusions are more or less on the mark I think. A sub-luminal (slower than light) warp drive could work. Even with negative mass-energy if the moduli for these field

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-17 Thread Henrik Ohrstrom
but mining the Belt seems > more sustainable. I am not wedded to any one technology, just one that will > work to specification. > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18 pm > Su

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
mining the Belt seems more sustainable. I am not wedded to any one technology, just one that will work to specification. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 4:18 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Sun

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> This surely can't be done anytime soon. My suspicion is that new > discoveries of profound impact will wait until we can build better > equipment, as Freeman Dyson state long ago.* > I wro

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ooglegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 2:20 pm Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket No, a fusion rocket is much more technologically difficult than a fusion power plant.  The power plant can be very large and heavy.  The power plant just need to produce heat; the rocket needs to direct

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ysics? No, but it does open the opportunity of learning of new phenomena.  This can only change the big picture.   -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 5:49 am Subject: Re: A gravitational wave rocket On Sat, Jan

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread Brent Meeker
No, a fusion rocket is much more technologically difficult than a fusion power plant.  The power plant can be very large and heavy. The power plant just need to produce heat; the rocket needs to direct the fusion products. Brent On 1/15/2022 8:55 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: So

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-16 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:55 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> So earlier today I watched Sabine hassenfelder the physicist from > Germany indicate that any kind of wormhole travel or FTL is strictly > unlikely.* > I'd say practical wormhole travel,

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
So earlier today I watched Sabine hassenfelder the physicist from Germany indicate that any kind of wormhole travel or FTL is strictly unlikely. What I'd like to ask is, whether all the work that's done today for creating commercial nuclear fusion is more or less likely, than using the same tec

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
It is possible for a binary star system to interact with a third star so there is an exchange. We do normally expect binary star systems to have similarly oriented angular momenta. This is an interesting result. To compute this would have been tough. This is a case of a Robinson-Trautman t

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > Kudos to whomever did the calculation for this. But I would have > thought that most collisions would be misaligned in both spin axes and > impact plane. The Sun's spin axis isn't aligned with the Milky Way's axis > of rotation, so I had a

Re: A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-13 Thread Brent Meeker
Kudos to whomever did the calculation for this.  But I would have thought that most collisions would be misaligned in both spin axes and impact plane.  The Sun's spin axis isn't aligned with the Milky Way's axis of rotation, so I had assumed most stars have randomly directed spin axes. Brent

A gravitational wave rocket

2022-01-13 Thread John Clark
For the first time a sort of gravitational wave rocket has been found. By re-examining the data from the LIGO and Virgo gravitational wave observatories researchers report on January 6 they have detected the merger of 34 and 29 solar mass Black Holes that resulted in a Black Hole of about 62 solar