Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2008, at 19:38, Brent Meeker wrote: > Talk about consciousness will seem as quaint > as talk about the elan vital does now. Then you are led to eliminativism of consciousness. This makes MEC+MAT trivially coherent. The price is big: consciousness does no more exist, like the "e

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> Doesn't the question go away if it is nomologically impossible? > > I'm sort of the opposite of you on this issue. You don't like to use > the term "logically possible", while I don't like to use the term > "nomologica

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 20, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Doesn't the question go away if it is nomologically impossible? I'm sort of the opposite of you on this issue. You don't like to use the term "logically possible", while I don't like to use the term "nomologically impossible". I don't see th

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> I think you really you mean nomologically possible. > > I mean logically possible, but I'm happy to change it to > "nomologically possible" for the purposes of this conversation. Doesn't the question go away if it is n

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > I think you really you mean nomologically possible. I mean logically possible, but I'm happy to change it to "nomologically possible" for the purposes of this conversation. > I think Dennett changes the question by referring to > neurophysio

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Kory Heath wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: >> So I'm puzzled as to how answer Bruno's question. In general I >> don't believe in >> zombies, but that's in the same way I don't believe my glass of >> water will >> freeze at 20degC. It's an opinion about what is li

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2008, at 00:19, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Could you alter the so-lucky cosmic explosion beam a little bit so >> that Alice still succeed her math exam, but is, reasonably enough, a >> zombie during the exam. With zombie taken in the traditional sense >> of >> Kory and Dennett. >> Of

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2008, at 22:43, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >>> Bruno, >>> If no one objects, I will present MGA 2 (soon). >>> I also agree completely and am curious to see where this is going. >>> Please continue! >> >>

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-20 Thread Kory Heath
On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > So I'm puzzled as to how answer Bruno's question. In general I > don't believe in > zombies, but that's in the same way I don't believe my glass of > water will > freeze at 20degC. It's an opinion about what is likely, not what is > possi

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
> Could you alter the so-lucky cosmic explosion beam a little bit so > that Alice still succeed her math exam, but is, reasonably enough, a > zombie during the exam. With zombie taken in the traditional sense of > Kory and Dennett. > Of course you have to keep well *both* MECH *and* MAT. I thin

Re: MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-19 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > >> Bruno, >> >>> If no one objects, I will present MGA 2 (soon). >> I also agree completely and am curious to see where this is going. >> Please continue! > > > Thanks Telmo, thanks also to Gordon. > > I will try to

MGA 1 bis (exercise)

2008-11-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Nov 2008, at 16:06, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Bruno, > >> If no one objects, I will present MGA 2 (soon). > > I also agree completely and am curious to see where this is going. > Please continue! Thanks Telmo, thanks also to Gordon. I will try to send MGA 2 asap. But this asks me some t