Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:57, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: So any

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:09, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The self is directly related to the Dx = xx trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The self is directly related to the Dx = xx trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the self/other distinction needn't replicate (eg certain robots). Hi, I have some papers and list posts

Re: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-16, 09:34:51 Subject: Re: Computational Autopoetics 1 On 14 Oct 2012, at 22:44, Roger Clough wrote: Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The self is directly related to the Dx = xx trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the self/other distinction needn't replicate (eg certain

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
and intentional are related, though). Bruno Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/17/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-16, 09:34:51 Subject: Re: Computational

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 1:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Computational

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/17/2012 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The self is directly related to the Dx = xx trick, for me. The Dx=xx trick is about self-replication. Of course entities with a sense of the

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote: So any self-organised system should be called alive then? Sand

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2012, at 22:44, Roger Clough wrote: Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't already been

Re: Computational Autopoetics 1

2012-10-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 04:44:11PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Computational Autopoetics is a term I just coined to denote applying basic concepts of autopoetics to the field of comp. You mathematicians are free to do it more justice than I can. I cannot guarantee that the idea hasn't