Thanks for the Steinhart links! I must confess I found his "More Precisely"
very useful
Op woensdag 2 september 2015 14:35:39 UTC+2 schreef spudb...@aol.com:
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> Excellent website you have there, Peter. Let me present Eric Steinhart,
> if you don't already know him? He is also a big fan of
Hi Mike,
That film looks like a lot of fun... How can I see it? Can I order a copy
online?
Here by the way is my latest blog post on the platform problem in digital
physics and the relation to consciousness:
Excellent website you have there, Peter. Let me present Eric Steinhart, if you
don't already know him? He is also a big fan of Josiah Royce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDB35y-5Z0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcQp1bTKHA
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From: Peter Sas
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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>> How Aristotle could have disproved that, you fool?
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If Aristotle, the so called master of logic, didn't want to use logic to
disprove it he could have disproved it the same way
Galileo
did, with experiments
if you were capable of thinking a little bit you would know that Galileo
did not demonstrated that. It is is one of many myths of science. There is
no way to demonstrate it in the earth except in a large vacuum tube and
with high precision photography
Galileo demonstrated that bodies accelerate
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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> if you were capable of thinking a little bit you would know that Galileo
> did not demonstrated that. It is is one of many myths of science. There is
> no way to demonstrate it in the earth except in a large vacuum tube
>>
Aristotle
believed that heavy objects fell more quickly than light ones, *something
that could have been easily disproved* *even on his own day *but he
understood it so well, or thought he did, that he didn't bother to make any
observations on the matter.
How Aristotle could have disproved
What most astonishes me of this modern world is how plain stupid nonsense
can become common sense by repetition if that serve the purpose to
denigrate the past.
>>
Aristotle
believed that heavy objects fell more quickly than light ones, *something
that could have been easily disproved* *even
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:14 PM, meekerdb wrote:
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>> Pure logic can't prove that a physical theory is correct but it can prove
>> that it's wrong i
>> f
>> it's self contradictory and Aristotle's theory was.
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>> If you take a heavy rock and tie it to a slightly
On 8/31/2015 3:19 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:14 PM, meekerdb > wrote:
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Aristotle
believed that heavy objects fell more quickly than light ones, something
that
could have been easily disproved
On 28 Aug 2015, at 16:01, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Thursday, August 27, 2015, meekerdb wrote:
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:14 PM, meekerdb wrote:
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>> Aristotle
>> believed that heavy objects fell more quickly than light ones,
>> something that could have been easily disproved even on his own day but he
>> understood it so well, or thought he did, that he
On 30 Aug 2015, at 19:35, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
> The dogma did not come from Plato, nor even Aristotle,
All the ancient greeks in your own words "believe in what they
understand, not necessarily in what they
I don`t know the computation, but for sure that will you have the option of
running it on Linux or Windows
2015-08-26 9:21 GMT+02:00 Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com:
Hi guys and girls,
I'm sure this question has already come up many times before, but it's an
important one, so I guess it
On 8/30/2015 10:35 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
The dogma did not come from Plato, nor even Aristotle,
All the ancient greeks in your own words
believe in what they understand, not
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
The dogma did not come from Plato, nor even Aristotle,
All the ancient greeks in your own words
believe in what they understand, not necessarily in what they observe
and that was the problem.
Aristotle
On 28 Aug 2015, at 17:18, Mike White wrote:
Great topic Peter!
I recently worked on a film called Digital Physics in which the
protagonist, Khatchig, chases the answer to some of these questions
and I've been trying to keep following these concepts ever since. I
can't tell you exactly
On Thursday, August 27, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:32:37 +1000 From: Stathis Papaioannou
stath...@gmail.com
On 27 Aug 2015, at 21:14, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I don't know why people want hardware for computation,
I know, it's because in the history of the world NOBODY has
ever been able to perform one single calculation
I'm not assuming QM, the goal is to derive it, perhaps only as an
approximation. It would be better if QM only turns out to be
approximately true, because then one can attempt to predict what
experimental signatures there are.
Saibal
On 27-08-2015 18:47, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Aug
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
in the history of the world
*NOBODY* has ever been able to perform one single calculation without
using hardware. No hardware = no calculation.
Consult Turing or Church,
Consult Fortune magazine for
Great topic Peter!
I recently worked on a film called *Digital Physics* in which the
protagonist, Khatchig, chases the answer to some of these questions and
I've been trying to keep following these concepts ever since. I can't tell
you exactly which one of your possibilities Khatchig supports
On 27 Aug 2015, at 00:25, smitra wrote:
The answer is (1), except that that it's not the algorithm for
generating the laws of physics rather simply you, me, Bruno or
whatever other conscious entity at some particular state where they
have some conscious experience. Each different
On 26 Aug 2015, at 22:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/26/2015 3:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Aug 2015, at 12:06, Peter Sas wrote:
Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of
being aware that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would
require infinite memory to
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I don't know why people want hardware for computation,
I know, it's because in the history of the world
NOBODY has ever been able to perform one single calculation without using
hardware. No hardware = no calculation.
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the options?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:32:37 +1000
From: Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
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To:
The answer is (1), except that that it's not the algorithm for
generating the laws of physics rather simply you, me, Bruno or whatever
other conscious entity at some particular state where they have some
conscious experience. Each different conscious experience is defined by
the action of some
Hi Peter,
I have not much time, but why to assume a (primary) physical universe.
There are no evdience for that. Also if my body is a machine, the
universe cannot be a machine, unless I am the universe (which I doubt).
Computation is a pre -mathematical concept, and actually, an
On 26 August 2015 at 17:21, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys and girls,
I'm sure this question has already come up many times before, but it's an
important one, so I guess it can't do any harm to go over it again.
If the universe is thoroughly computational, what are the
On 26 Aug 2015, at 12:06, Peter Sas wrote:
Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of being
aware that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would require
infinite memory to truly be aware of an infinite number of steps in
such a recursive relation.
Maybe the
On 26 Aug 2015, at 12:47, Peter Sas wrote:
Hi Bruno,
I am not assuming a primary physical universe... precisely not. The
idea is that self-awareness is ontologically primary and that this
self-awareness, through its recursive structure, is awareness of all
natural numbers (and possibly
Hi Bruno,
I am not assuming a primary physical universe... precisely not. The idea is
that self-awareness is ontologically primary and that this self-awareness,
through its recursive structure, is awareness of all natural numbers (and
possibly beyond) and thus it computes. We could then say it
I thought Tipler's theory is that there will be an actual physical computer
that will be able to do all possible computations as the Universe collapses
- although since he came up with the idea it has been shown that the
Universe won't collapse in the required way.
Yes, it's not Tipler's main
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Peter Sas peterjacco...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought Tipler's theory is that there will be an actual physical
computer that will be able to do all possible computations as the Universe
collapses - although since he came up with the idea it has been shown that
Personally my brain stack overflows at about 3 or 4 levels of being aware
that I am aware that ... I am aware. I think it would require infinite
memory to truly be aware of an infinite number of steps in such a recursive
relation.
Maybe the infinite hierarchy doesn't have to be
Shooting for a physical location? Now we head of (my choice) into
Conjecture-Land. Two possibilities, submitted for your scorn and disapproval.
One is that since the universe is said by astronomers to be somewhere in the
zone of 26-80 light-years, in extant, and we can only detect what is
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