Thanks, Russell, you still teach physics.
I fell into bad styling when wanted to refer to phenomena BEYOND it, just
as there was EM before it was detected, there was electricity and gravity
before the words were invented and so on. What may be in the future is not
anticipateable if we have no
Hi John,
Actually, I think you fell into a trap specifying the EM spectrum (which
is well characterised, and has no unknowns about it), rather than
something vague like energy or radiation.
It is entirely possible that life has evolved a way of making use of
some unknown source of radiant energy
Russell:
you wrote:
*Not really - the peak of the solar spectrum is yellow light. The IR and UV*
*portions are relatively small components, and what little there is is
further absorbed by water vapour and the ozone layer respectively.*
Is ALL you do mean the SOLAR (!) spectrum we can detect
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:31:00PM -0400, John Mikes wrote:
Russell:
you wrote:
*Not really - the peak of the solar spectrum is yellow light. The IR and UV*
*portions are relatively small components, and what little there is is
further absorbed by water vapour and the ozone layer
That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does
not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially
acute in supposedly intelligent people.
El 18/06/2014 09:24, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au escribió:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:48PM
On 20 Jun 2014, at 22:51, John Mikes wrote:
They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without joke:
how about those plants that are not green? do they have a chlorophyl
variation that is not green? or a different photosynth-mechsm?
I think they contain chlorophyl, + other pigments, which plays some
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:23:49AM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does
not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially
acute in supposedly intelligent people.
Is that meant to be a Christian
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Dear Chris,
not that your answer sounds a bit vague - I have deeper problems.
I can understand your point of view – though I am not quite certain what it is
either. However
Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the
spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and
ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible
green is a relatively insignificant blip?
After all we only see less than one light
Maybe a BLACK tree? how 'bout barking in humanly non-audible
spectrum-parts of the frequencies? dogs may hear it. How 'bout if your
question touches items beyond our humanly accessible/accessed inventory?
Consider my appreciative reply within those parts.
JM
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, LizR
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote:
Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the
spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and
ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible
green is a relatively
On 23 June 2014 11:29, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote:
Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the
spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and
ultraviolet, and the fact
Dear Chris,
not that your answer sounds a bit vague - I have deeper problems.
In my lately (2+decades) absobed agnostic views I find our science a bit
incomplete as explanatory ideas (with mathematical underlying) upon poorly
understood (iff...?) phenomena adjusted both into the *previous* images
On 18 Jun 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/17/2014 9:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from
captured
sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as
fast as
possible.
Quantum biology:
They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without joke:
how about those plants that are not green? do they have a chlorophyl
variation that is not green? or a different photosynth-mechsm?
JM
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
I have long thought that plants should be black,
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Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping
the quantum trickery of certain
On 6/18/2014 3:15 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
But it does illustrate the way evolution can get stuck in a local
optima. And also further evidence that any purported Creator must be
completely incompetent.
Evolution always must begin with a preexisting platform -- so to
Perhaps because the two mechanisms function quite differently and apparently
evolved independently. But I also sometimes wonder why in the many hundreds of
millions of years of time that no species has found a way to utilize the
missing chunk of spectrum.
A perfect plant would have jet black
I have long thought that plants should be black, too, for this reason.
Anyone know why not?
On 20 June 2014 11:40, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
Perhaps because the two mechanisms function quite differently and
apparently evolved
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:48PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
What is baffling to me is that photosynthesis in algae relies on
absorption in the red and blue part of the spectrum, but reflects
the big green part in between?? Why didn't it evolve another
pigment to capture that in order to live
I suppose the Sun's spectral characteristics might have changed a bit since
chlorophyll evolved - though I wouldn't think *that* much. However, I agree
with Brent - I would think that any plant that evolved the ability to
absorb green light (not to mention infra red and all the other EM radiation
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 09:06:00PM +1200, LizR wrote:
I suppose the Sun's spectral characteristics might have changed a bit since
chlorophyll evolved - though I wouldn't think *that* much. However, I agree
with Brent - I would think that any plant that evolved the ability to
absorb green light
From: Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping
the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:45 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping
the quantum trickery of certain algae
Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured
sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as
possible.
Quantum biology: Algae may prove to be key ingredient for organic solar
cells
On 6/17/2014 9:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured
sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as
possible.
Quantum biology: Algae may prove to be key ingredient for organic
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