Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-25 Thread Russell Standish
Hi John, Actually, I think you fell into a trap specifying the EM spectrum (which is well characterised, and has no "unknowns" about it), rather than something vague like "energy" or "radiation". It is entirely possible that life has evolved a way of making use of some unknown source of radiant e

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-25 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Russell, you still teach physics. I fell into bad styling when wanted to refer to phenomena BEYOND it, just as there was EM before it was detected, there was electricity and gravity before the words were invented and so on. What may be in the future is not anticipateable if we have no lead

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 04:31:00PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: > Russell: > you wrote: > > > *Not really - the peak of the solar spectrum is yellow light. The IR and UV* > *portions are relatively small components, and what little there is is > further absorbed by water vapour and the ozone layer re

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-24 Thread John Mikes
Russell: you wrote: *Not really - the peak of the solar spectrum is yellow light. The IR and UV* *portions are relatively small components, and what little there is is further absorbed by water vapour and the ozone layer respectively.* Is ALL you do mean the SOLAR (!) spectrum we can detect with

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:23:49AM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does > not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially > acute in supposedly intelligent people. Is that meant to be a Christian apol

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
ystem. From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)] On 6/18/2014 3:15 PM, 'Chris d

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That only shows how the mind invent whatever childish explanation that does not impair the self esteem for the unknown. That sickness is specially acute in supposedly intelligent people. El 18/06/2014 09:24, "Russell Standish" escribió: > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:48PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 11:29, Russell Standish wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote: > > Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the > > spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and > > ultraviolet, and the fact that there is

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote: > Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the > spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and > ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible > green is a relatively i

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread John Mikes
Maybe a BLACK tree? how 'bout "barking" in humanly non-audible spectrum-parts of the frequencies? dogs may hear it. How 'bout if your question touches items beyond our humanly accessible/accessed inventory? Consider my appreciative reply within those parts. JM On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Liz

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible green is a relatively insignificant blip? After all we only see less than one light

RE: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
0, 2014 1:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)] They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without joke: how about those plants that are not gr

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-21 Thread John Mikes
June 20, 2014 1:52 PM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > > *Subject:* Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to > us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)] > > > > They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without jok

RE: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
eason is photosynthesis, which is not true for bacteriorhodopsin-based system. _ From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantu

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread John Mikes
chlorophyll-based >> phototrophy is coupled to carbon fixation >> <https://www.boundless.com/definition/fixation/> (the incorporation of >> carbon dioxide into larger organic molecules) and for that reason is >> photosynthesis, which is not true for bacteriorhodopsin-based system. &

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jun 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote: On 6/17/2014 9:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as possible. Quantum biology: Alg

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-19 Thread LizR
organic molecules) and for that reason is > photosynthesis, which is not true for bacteriorhodopsin-based system. > > > -------------- > *From:* meekerdb > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:51 AM > > *Subject:* Re:

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
sed system.  From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)] On 6/18/2014 3:

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-19 Thread meekerdb
On 6/18/2014 3:15 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: >>But it does illustrate the way evolution can get stuck in a local optima. And also further evidence that any purported Creator must be completely incompetent. Evolution always must begin with a preexisting platform -- so to s

RE: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
June 2014 10:15, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: _ From: Russell Standish To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us apin

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread LizR
ps.com> wrote: > > > -- > *From:* Russell Standish > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:31 AM > *Subject:* Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to > us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (crypto

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Russell Standish To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifica

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 09:06:00PM +1200, LizR wrote: > I suppose the Sun's spectral characteristics might have changed a bit since > chlorophyll evolved - though I wouldn't think *that* much. However, I agree > with Brent - I would think that any plant that evolved the ability to > absorb green li

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread LizR
I suppose the Sun's spectral characteristics might have changed a bit since chlorophyll evolved - though I wouldn't think *that* much. However, I agree with Brent - I would think that any plant that evolved the ability to absorb green light (not to mention infra red and all the other EM radiation k

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-18 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:27:48PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > > What is baffling to me is that photosynthesis in algae relies on > absorption in the red and blue part of the spectrum, but reflects > the big green part in between?? Why didn't it evolve another > pigment to capture that in order to l

Re: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-17 Thread meekerdb
On 6/17/2014 9:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as possible. Quantum biology: Algae may prove to be key ingredient for organic sol

RE: Solar power's "bright future" [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-17 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as possible. Quantum biology: Algae may prove to be key ingredient for organic solar cells http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8680/20140617/algae-may-p