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Didn't even mention Brexit. Brent On 12/30/2016 3:47 PM, Kim Jones wrote: I feel like the guy in the dressing gown feeling the weirdness https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2524792810877096/ Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

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On 12/30/2016 2:52 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 28 Dec 2016, at 6:17 pm, Brent Meeker > wrote: Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or

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I feel like the guy in the dressing gown feeling the weirdness https://www.facebook.com/uniladmag/videos/2524792810877096/ Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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> On 28 Dec 2016, at 6:17 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: > > Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, > questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the > wrong question". > > Yes. This is precisely why we will

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> On 30 Dec 2016, at 7:47 am, John Mikes wrote: > > KIM (and Brent, Telmo of course) > what should we call " W E I R D " ??? I think "low measure" is the most meaningful synonym for me Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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> > On 30 Dec 2016, at 12:49 pm, Russell Standish wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 07:57:31PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> I don’t think that only mature-age people think that the fact that Donald >> Trump got elected is weird. Perhaps your theory can be ramped up

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 07:57:31PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: > > I don’t think that only mature-age people think that the fact that Donald > Trump got elected is weird. Perhaps your theory can be ramped up another > tier: not only does the world seem weird to the elderly but the more human >

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On 12/29/2016 12:47 PM, John Mikes wrote: KIM (and Brent, Telmo of course) what should we call * " W E I R D "* ??? Is this an epitheton for our 'unusual'? or 'unruly'? or 'disorderly'? I detected that the 'weirdness' (whatever you define it by) of the World smoothened up as I got older and

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On 12/29/2016 3:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 27 Dec 2016, at 10:03 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should expect the world to become weirder as we

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On 12/29/2016 2:57 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I finished reading the story, and I have to admit it is quite disturbing. My argument against the possibility of such hells is the same as my argument against the possibility of christian hell: if I can exist in some conventional state C, that lasts

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KIM (and Brent, Telmo of course) what should we call * " W E I R D "* ??? Is this an epitheton for our 'unusual'? or 'unruly'? or 'disorderly'? I detected that the 'weirdness' (whatever you define it by) of the World smoothened up as I got older and older. I have more understanding N O W (in my

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On 29 Dec 2016, at 11:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: It looks like the computer with the instrcution "kill the user", I love that idea! Your computer is not the Universal Machine Bruno. What? Of course it is. the infinite tape is the environment. It is not part of the machine. Turing

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> On 27 Dec 2016, at 10:03 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we

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On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Kim Jones wrote: > > On 27 Dec 2016, at 10:03 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should expect the > world to become weirder as we get older? > > > > I don’t think that

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>> to "conspire" to keep you alive. As this specificity accumulates, it >>> increasingly bias the possible worlds. >>> >>> One could even use a chart like the one below to predict where "the >>> weirdening" would accelerate. Of course this

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/27/2016 11:39 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016

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> It looks like the computer with the instrcution "kill the user", I love that idea! >> Your computer is not the Universal Machine Bruno. > > > What? Of course it is. the infinite tape is the environment. It is not part > of the machine. Turing discover the universal number, that is, if phi_i is

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> On 27 Dec 2016, at 10:03 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > If we assume the MWI, isn't it the case that we should expect the > world to become weirder as we get older? I don’t think that only mature-age people think that the fact that Donald Trump got elected is weird.

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On 12/27/2016 11:39 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Although your evolution may be statistically

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On 12/27/2016 11:34 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the wrong question". I

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city accumulates, it increasingly bias the possible worlds. One could even use a chart like the one below to predict where "the weirdening" would accelerate. Of course this is not something that can be directly measured, but still fun to think about. Yes, when we die, we survive

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://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis -Original Message- From: Hans Moravec <hans.p.mora...@gmail.com> To: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 7:48 pm Subject: Re: The Weirdening I’m on the list. Clammed up around

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >>> >>> Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the >>>

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On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like > intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either > meaningless or "the wrong question". I think it is very unlikely that we will

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Exactly so. Once we can engineer robots to act with human like intelligence, questions about consciousness will be seen as either meaningless or "the wrong question". Best wishes for your endeavor, Hans. Brent On 12/27/2016 4:48 PM, Hans Moravec wrote: I’m on the list. Clammed up around

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I’m on the list. Clammed up around 2000 to get on with robot building. Someday they can answer for themselves. Still a few decades to go, but I expect some machines built to work around people will act as if they have feelings, and awareness of others’ feelings. For all practical purposes

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s <te...@telmomenezes.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 6:56 pm Subject: Re: The Weirdening Nice, thanks Hans (and Brent)! On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Hans Moravec <hans.p.mora...@gmail.com> wrote: > Was expecting you,

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On 12/27/2016 3:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: Although your evolution may be statistically improbable, mostly at the biochemical level, there's no reason that the rest of the world should show any statistical

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come weirder as we get older? My reasoning is simple: the >>> older you are, the lower your measure, the more specific events have >>> to "conspire" to keep you alive. As this specificity accumulates, it >>> increasingly bias the possible worlds. >>>

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reasoning is simple: the >> older you are, the lower your measure, the more specific events have >> to "conspire" to keep you alive. As this specificity accumulates, it >> increasingly bias the possible worlds. >> >> One could even use a chart like the one b

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worlds. > > One could even use a chart like the one below to predict where "the > weirdening" would accelerate. Of course this is not something that can > be directly measured, but still fun to think about. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_table#/media/File:Data

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possible worlds. > > One could even use a chart like the one below to predict where "the > weirdening" would accelerate. Of course this is not something that can > be directly measured, but still fun to think about. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_table#/media/F

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com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2016 6:04 am Subject: The Weirdening I take a break from the god-wars to propose an idea that I have been thinking about. This is probably both silly and unoriginal, but here it goes... If we assume th

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