RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: This raises the question again of what is the minimum duration of a conscious state? You mention 5sec as being a long time for a coincidental match (would there still be two consciousnesses for that 5sec

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Jason Resch
On 1/28/07, Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consciousness *seems* to be continuous even if at a fundamental level time or brain processes are discrete. Also, although I agree that there is no necessary connection between observer moments, there *seems* to be a connection, in

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: This raises the question again of what is the minimum duration of a conscious state? You mention 5sec as being a long time for a coincidental match (would there still

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: On 1/28/07, *Stathis Papaioannou* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consciousness *seems* to be continuous even if at a fundamental level time or brain processes are discrete. Also, although I agree that there is no necessary connection between

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Jason Resch
On 1/28/07, Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this is the way to look at it. It's true that QM predicts an uncountably infinite number of branchings, even for an universe containing only a single unstable particle. But these branchings don't produce different copies of

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:36:24PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Russell Standish writes: There is good reason to suppose that the absolute measure of an observer moment is inversely proportional to the exponential of the OM's complexity (this is discussed elsewhere in my book). In

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 04:42:48AM -, Jason wrote: I agree that regardless of the creation or destruction of other copies, there is no reason for there ever to be any effect on first person experience, that means no funny feelings, no loss of consciousness, etc. RSSA Proponents:

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: Assuming that consciousness supervenes on the physics, this follows just from the continuity of the physics. But it doesn't follow that there is some experience corresponding to 1msec of brain processing - it might be that seeing the flash spans some

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: Assuming that consciousness supervenes on the physics, this follows just from the continuity of the physics. But it doesn't follow that there is some experience corresponding to 1msec of brain processing - it might be that

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes (quoting Jason Resch): If many-worlds is true, consider for a second how many histories lines (and copies of you) must have been created by now. The universe had been branching into untold numbers of copies, untold numbers of

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Hal Ruhl
One thing that I do not agree with is what seems to me to be a common holding regarding observer moments [by this I mean discrete states of universes [which are a sub set of possible objects]] is that they are each so far assumed to have a set of properties that are to some extent the same

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: OK, but that means observer moments are not fundamental and the illusion of their continuity may be provided by the continuity of their underpinning. But I don't see how a strictly stepwise discrete process as contemplated in the UD can provide that

Re: R�p : The Meaning of Life

2007-01-28 Thread Tom Caylor
On Jan 27, 7:50�am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 26-janv.-07, � 19:00, Tom Caylor a �crit : Why do we need to eliminate first-person white rabbits? �For purposes of science, is not elimination of third-person (or first-person plural) white rabbits sufficient? That would be

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: OK, but that means observer moments are not fundamental and the illusion of their continuity may be provided by the continuity of their underpinning. But I don't see how a strictly stepwise discrete process as contemplated in