On 29 Jul 2014, at 01:22, LizR wrote:
On 29 July 2014 02:35, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:55 PM, LizR wrote:
> I think he falls into the same camp as Fred Hoyle - someone who
manages to get something completely wrong
Fred Hoyle's Steady State Theory started out as a perfec
On 29 Jul 2014, at 16:30, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM, LizR wrote:
>>> whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons
around circuits
>> And whatever a human brain does is "just" the movement of
molecules and ions around neurons. That word "just" su
2014-07-29 16:30 GMT+02:00 John Clark :
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> >>> whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons around
circuits
>>>
>>> >> And whatever a human brain does is "just" the movement of molecules
>>> and ions around neurons. That w
On 30 July 2014 09:03, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think (maybe pace David) that materialism explains well consciousness, by
> using comp. The problem is that such explanation makes *matter*
> incomprehensible.
Well I must confess I'm not entirely pacified yet. Surely the whole point
is that if the
On 30 July 2014 00:26, LizR wrote:
And there I was worrying about CERN destroying the world
Yeah, I was careful to take this shot on a long lens!
David
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Quentin Anciaux
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> 2014-07-29 16:30 GMT+02:00 John Clark :
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> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> >>> whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons around
> circuits
>
>> And whatever a human brain do
On 29 July 2014 18:41, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is thought as a reductio ad absurdum. If consciousness supervenes on the
> physical activity, then it supervenes on the movie, But there is no
> computation in the movie, only a description of a computation, so
> consciousness does not supervene on t
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR wrote:
> Suppose for the sake of argument that in order to be conscious, people
> needed a Descartes-style spirit to be attached to their brains.
>
Then changes in the Descartes-style spirit changes the material world and
changes in the material world change
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
> Comp is obviously going to mean different things to different people
>
Yes and that's exactly the trouble! In contrast computationalism means the
same thing for everybody, a useful property for a word to have if it is to
be used for communica
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> you confuse comp and its consequence.
>
And you confuse your made-up word "comp" with the English word
"computationalism".
> a rather systematic confusion of first person and third person.
>
Oh yes, the world is full of people who are co
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 03:13:01PM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
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> Better than to keep reacting like monkey to his post, which I do, would be
> imho for the list to focus on precise prerequisites, exercises, reading
> lists to get firmer grasp of AUDA, and make that more universally
> ac
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On 7/30/2014 5:36 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 30 July 2014 09:03, Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote:
I think (maybe pace David) that materialism explains well consciousness, by
using
comp. The problem is that such explanation makes *matter* incomprehensible.
Well I must con
On 31 July 2014 00:36, David Nyman wrote:
> On 30 July 2014 09:03, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> I think (maybe pace David) that materialism explains well consciousness,
>> by using comp. The problem is that such explanation makes *matter*
>> incomprehensible.
>
>
> Well I must confess I'm not entire
On 31 July 2014 04:43, John Clark wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> > Suppose for the sake of argument that in order to be conscious, people
>> needed a Descartes-style spirit to be attached to their brains.
>>
>
> Then changes in the Descartes-style spirit changes the
On 31 July 2014 06:36, Russell Standish wrote:
> The MGA, in particular, is very subtle. I think I have now found a way
> of coming to grips with it, and it is a little different to the usual
> precis given here. Fundamentally, computational supervenience (which
> requires counterfactual correctn
On 27 Jul 2014, at 19:46, Jesse Mazer wrote:
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:13 PM, David Nyman
wrote:
On 27 July 2014 17:27, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> I don't see why that should follow at all, as long as there are
multiple
> infinite computations running rather than the UDA being the only
on
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:08:52AM +1200, LizR wrote:
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> PS One problem I have with uncountable infinity not being a feature of the
> world is that it appears to scupper eternal inflation, and even universes
> expanding exponentially. Does anyone have any comments on that?
>
Why?
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On 31 July 2014 10:26, Russell Standish wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:08:52AM +1200, LizR wrote:
> >
> > PS One problem I have with uncountable infinity not being a feature of
> the
> > world is that it appears to scupper eternal inflation, and even universes
> > expanding exponentially. Do
> On 31 Jul 2014, at 8:47 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> CTM = Comp (to use with moderation when tired of the sound of comp).
Well, it's actuallyC omputationalist Theory (of) M ind.
Cheers,
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On 7/30/2014 11:36 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 03:13:01PM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Better than to keep reacting like monkey to his post, which I do, would be
imho for the list to focus on precise prerequisites, exercises, reading
lists to get firmer grasp of
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