On 29 Jul 2014, at 16:30, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons
around circuits
>> And whatever a human brain does is "just" the movement of
molecules and ions around neurons. That word "just" sure covers a
lot!
> Hence the quote marks. Don't worry I "just" love being quoted out
of context.
I wasn't trying to criticize you, I understand that you were using
the word "just" in the same way I was.
> If that proves a computer can't be conscious then it also proves
that humans aren't conscious; and except for me maybe that's the case.
> It supposedly proves that the materialist paradigm doesn't explain
consciousness
Then it also explains why a human being can never be conscious, but
I know for a fact that at least one human being is. And if changing
the material in my brain changes my consciousness (and it most
certainly does) and changes in consciousness changes the material in
my brain (and it most certainly does) then in what sense does
materialism fail to explain consciousness?
> according to comp
I can't comment on that, "comp" means whatever Bruno wants it to
mean, and that changes from day to day.
Comp has the same meaning since day one on this list. I told you
already that you confuse comp and its consequence. It is up to you to
explain why you think we can avoid those consequences. Up to now, your
"refutation" is based on a rather systematic confusion of first person
and third person. You have not replied to my last detailed explanation
of this.
Bruno
John K Clark
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