Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:00, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 2/27/2020 3:45 AM,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 2/27/2020 3:45 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> >> That is probably what all this argument is actually about -- the maths >>

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

> On 3 Mar 2020, at 12:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 5:11:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:30, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 6:38:29 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Mar 2020, at

Re: Wittgenstein's meta-philosophy

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 12:16:41 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Mar 2020, at 17:42, PGC > wrote: > > > > > Then show me a worm's brain working in arithmetic. The felicity of doing > so wouldn't ever mean, we've truly achieved what we set out to do, but the > model and

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 08:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 4:34 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:39 AM Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>> wrote: On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:46:34AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > The greater problem is that any idea of probability founders when all outcomes >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 6:18 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > But one cannot just assume the Born rule in this case -- one has to use > the data to verify the probabilistic predictions. And the

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 6:45 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/4/2020 6:18 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But one cannot just assume the Born rule in this case -- one has to use the

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 6:45 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 3/4/2020 6:18 PM,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 7:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/4/2020 6:45 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:34 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 5:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/4/2020 4:34 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The crux of the matter is that all branches are equivalent when both outcomes

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 5:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 3/4/2020 4:34 PM,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 6:18 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But one cannot just assume the Born rule in this case -- one has to use the data to verify the probabilistic predictions. And the observers on the majority of branches will get data that disconfirms the Born rule. (For any value of the probability,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:41 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 4:48 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:50 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> For example, if

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:39 AM Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:46:34AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > The greater problem is that any idea of probability founders when all > outcomes > > occur for any measurement. Or have you not followed the arguments I have > been > >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:50 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 2:43 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:15 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> Whether MWI is a

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:59 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 4:34 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > The crux of the matter is that all branches are equivalent when both > outcomes occur on every trial, so all observers will infer that

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 4:48 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:50 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/4/2020 2:43 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:15 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:39 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 09:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> >> The greater problem is that any idea of probability founders when all >> outcomes occur for any measurement. Or have you not followed the arguments >> I have been making that

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:23 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 7:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:02 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 3/4/2020 6:45 PM,

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:46:34AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > The greater problem is that any idea of probability founders when all outcomes > occur for any measurement. Or have you not followed the arguments I have been > making that shows this to be the case? > I must admit I haven't

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 09:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:31 AM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 08:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 1:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:31 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 08:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent

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Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 08:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 4:21 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2/27/2020 3:45 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:15 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 3/4/2020 1:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> Probability derived from self-locating uncertainty is an idea

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On 3/4/2020 2:43 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:15 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/4/2020 1:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 11:01 PM Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>>

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:34:55AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:39 AM Russell Standish > wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 09:46:34AM +1100, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > The greater problem is that any idea of probability founders when all > outcomes >

Re: Postulate: Everything that CAN happen, MUST happen.

> On 3 Mar 2020, at 14:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 5:23:48 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 2 Mar 2020, at 14:19, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > > Here is where I think you've tried to answer my gravity problem posed on > another thread. You say there

Re: Step 0,

> On 3 Mar 2020, at 18:42, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/3/2020 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 2 Mar 2020, at 14:02, Alan Grayson >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:57:58 AM UTC-7, Bruno