Re: [Fwd: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality]

2005-05-11 Thread danny mayes
I read "Why Occam's Razor" tonight after posting my last response (despite having a Federal court brief begging for attention).  I didn't have time to wade through the technical parts  very thoroughly, but in general I found it a very good summary of many of the topics we have been frequently

FW: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Brent Meeker
>-Original Message- >From: Lee Corbin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:24 AM >To: EverythingList >Subject: RE: many worlds theory of immortality > > >John Collins had written > >> >..You [Hal] are working from the assumption that each person has >some sort of >> >

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Jonathan Colvin
>Jonathan Colvin writes: >> That's putting it mildly. I was thinking that it is more >likely that a >> universe tunnels out of a black hole that "just randomly" happens to >> contain your precise brain state at that moment, and for all >of future >> eternity. But the majority of these random

Re: [Fwd: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality]

2005-05-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 12:40:10AM -0400, danny mayes wrote: > Russell, > > When I stated in the original reply that pulling information out of > other worlds in the MWI context was prohibited by physics, I was > referring to information about those universes. As I stated, obviously > you can

Re: [Fwd: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality]

2005-05-11 Thread danny mayes
Russell, When I stated in the original reply that pulling information out of other worlds in the MWI context was prohibited by physics, I was referring to information about those universes.  As I stated, obviously you can create a superposition to utilize  processing power in other universes,

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Lee Corbin
John Collins had written > >..You [Hal] are working from the assumption that each person has some sort of > >transcendental identity that experiences these observer moments, but I would > >think it more likely that these would be included in the observer moment, > >with memories being distinguishe

RE: Which is Fundamental?

2005-05-11 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes > [Lee wrote] > > About observer-moments, I would say what LaPlace answered to > > Napoleon about a deity: "I have no need of that hypothesis". > > [Bruno responded] > > But you cannot say they does not exist. You would be lying to yourself. You > > are living just one of them rig

RE: Which is Fundamental?

2005-05-11 Thread Lee Corbin
Hal wrote > Lee Corbin writes: > > Why not instead adopt the scientific model? That is, that > > we are three-dimensional creatures ensconced in a world > > governed by the laws of physics, or, what I'll call the > > "atoms and processes" model. About observer-moments, I would > > say what LaPla

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Brent Meeker
>-Original Message- >From: John Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:22 AM >To: Quentin Anciaux; everything-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: many worlds theory of immortality > > > >Quentin Anciaux wrote: >" >>Le Mardi 10 Mai 2005 19:13, "Hal Finney" a écrit :

Re: [Fwd: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality]

2005-05-11 Thread John M
Russell wrote to Danny: >The Grover algorithm is a form of accessing information from other worlds. Of course the worlds need to be prepared in just the right way, of course...< I suppose these "other worlds" are potential life-form carrying bodies of this (our) universe, because as far as I know

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
I agree with you Stathis. That's why I think MWI, QTI and COMPI lead to the Relative SSA, and relative immortality. The SSA you mention is the Absolute SSA which does not make sense, imo. Bruno Le 11-mai-05, à 14:04, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Bruno, Le 10-mai-05, à 12:25, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno, Le 10-mai-05, à 12:25, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : I should add that I don't believe in QTI, I don't believe that we are guaranteed to experience such outcomes. I prefer the observer-moment concept in which we are more likely to experience observer-moments where we are young and living w

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread John Collins
Quentin Anciaux wrote: " >Le Mardi 10 Mai 2005 19:13, "Hal Finney" a écrit : >> And in terms of your question, I would not act as though I expected to > >be guaranteed a very long life span, because the measure of that universe > >is so low compared to others where I don't survive. >> > >Hal Finne

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-05-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Dear aet.radal.ssg, You make a few interesting points which under normal circumstances I would be happy to continue discussing with you, but the primary motivation for your posts seems to be anger that I have raised the topic of mental illness. I am sorry if I have upset you, and I hope that if