Re: Fermi Paradox and measure

2006-07-02 Thread Russell Standish
Large has a lot to do with old. Universes where conscious life arose by a lengthy evolutionary process will have larger measure (by vitue of simpler initial conditions) than do universes whose conscious life arises spontaneously, or by relatively short evolutionary processes. It is also interesti

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread James N Rose
Bruno, I have found myself in this lifetime to be a staunch OP-ponent and challenger to Godel's incompleteness theorems. In the way that they are structured - with the premises Godel preset, of initial boundaries for what he was about to design by 'proof' - his theorems are both sufficiently

Re: Back to Existence: Physically Real vs. Platonic

2006-07-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Lee Corbin wrote: > Stathis wrote, Friday, June 30, 2006 12:24 AM > > >>A book is the analogy that came to mind, but there is an >>important difference between this and conscious experience. >>Books, sentences, words may not need to be physically >>collected together to make a coherent larger st

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 01-juil.-06, à 19:54, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > >>Sure it is. Just because something cannot be directly experienced >>doesn't rule it out of a >>scienctific model: quarks can't be observed, but their effects can. > > > > OK, but we were discussing about theorie

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis also wrote in the same email, Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:24 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A calculus of personal identity > Brent wrote > > That's why I suggest that OMs are not an adequate ontological basis for a > > world model. On the other > > hand, if we

Back to Existence: Physically Real vs. Platonic

2006-07-02 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis wrote, Friday, June 30, 2006 12:24 AM > A book is the analogy that came to mind, but there is an > important difference between this and conscious experience. > Books, sentences, words may not need to be physically > collected together to make a coherent larger structure, > but they do ne

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread jamikes
- Original Message - From: "Brent Meeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: A calculus of personal identity > > John M wrote: > > > > ... > > >Stathis wrote: > > >... > > > "I agree. Other people are part of the model of the > world we form. A

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread jamikes
Hello, Quentin: we agree in spite of a different formulation: "death" - I wrote about it as a process in a concept, while I feel you refer to the 'death' of a 'person' or whatever, as a state. The person (or whatever) is a complex entity of its (his?) interconnected and self-reflective (yes, eve

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Interesting question. I am interested in your own answer. I let Stathis answer (to see if he will give the comp one). Note that the comp answer here is not needed in the UDA argument where overlapping reconstitution (like in duplications) are never followed by somethings which looks (at least)

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 02-juil.-06, à 08:44, Tom Caylor a écrit : > My point is that of the thread title "Only Existence is necessary?" > Not that observers are necessary for existence, but that existence is > insufficient for meaning. I'm still holding out for Bruno to work the > rest of his diagonalization trick

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juil.-06, à 19:59, James N Rose a écrit : > > Math and reductive science ignore and dis-consider collateral > co-extancy. The comp assumption leads to the less reductive possible account of the person and person POVs. For example, comp does not guaranties *any* survival, but it guara

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juil.-06, à 19:54, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > Sure it is. Just because something cannot be directly experienced > doesn't rule it out of a > scienctific model: quarks can't be observed, but their effects can. OK, but we were discussing about theories. general relativity, as a theory d

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juil.-06, à 19:35, Brent Meeker a écrit : > That's not contrary to my conception at all. I certainly do "bet" on > the existence of others, and > of chairs and tables and stars and electrons and myself, and all for > the essentially the same reasons. OK. > > I don't understand the c