Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/6/2011 12:04 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Oct 2011, at 21:59, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2011, at 21:00, benjayk wrote: I don't see why. Concrete objects can be helpful to grasp elementary ideas about numbers for *some* people, but they might be embarrassing

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread benjayk
benjayk wrote: > > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 08 Oct 2011, at 20:51, benjayk wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Oct 2011, at 13:14, benjayk wrote: > > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 04 Oct 2011, at 21:59, benjayk wrote: >

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 08 Oct 2011, at 20:51, benjayk wrote: > >> >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 08 Oct 2011, at 13:14, benjayk wrote: >>> Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Oct 2011, at 21:59, benjayk wrote: > >> >> >> Bruno Marchal w

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread meekerdb
On 10/9/2011 3:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Depends on what you mean by "the whole of physics". Good question. When physics is inferred from observation, there is no conceptual mean to distinguish physics from geography, except for a fuzzy level of generality. But UDA explains where the observa

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Oct 2011, at 16:46, David Nyman wrote: On 9 October 2011 14:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: Can you find any number(s) flying around that has any claim to an internal view right now? Yes. Although the number per se, like programs and brains, will refer only to the relations that the 1-per

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 8, 7:21 pm, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > 2011/10/8 Craig Weinberg > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 8, 12:12 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > >> Of course all the parts of the car determine how it will move! You can > > > >> pred

Re: Bruno List continued

2011-10-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Oct 9, 12:09 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Oct 8, 12:12 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Craig Weinberg > >> wrote: > >> >> Of course all the parts of the car determine how it will move! You c

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 08 Oct 2011, at 21:00, benjayk wrote: > > I'm not saying that arithmetic isn't an internally consistent logic with unexpected depths and qualities, I'm just saying it can't turn blue or taste like broccoli. >>> >>> Assuming non-comp. >> The

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread John Mikes
In the Bruno - Brent exchange I enjoyed Bruno''s remarks Usually I agree with BrentM. Probability (in my terms) means a distribution within infinite bounds, no specifics for probable/non probable. The 'fantasy-world' of physics is a time-related explanatory Procrustean bed for those partly (maybe a

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread David Nyman
On 9 October 2011 14:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Can you find any number(s) flying around >> that has any claim to an internal view right now? > > Yes. Although the number per se, like programs and brains, will refer only > to the relations that the 1-person associated with that number can have.

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2011, at 21:00, benjayk wrote: I'm not saying that arithmetic isn't an internally consistent logic with unexpected depths and qualities, I'm just saying it can't turn blue or taste like broccoli. Assuming non-comp. There is no assumption needed for that. It is a category error t

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2011, at 20:51, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Oct 2011, at 13:14, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Oct 2011, at 21:59, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Oct 2011, at 21:00, benjayk wrote: I don't see why. Concrete objects can be help

Re: COMP is empty(?)

2011-10-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Oct 2011, at 20:15, meekerdb wrote: On 10/8/2011 5:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Oct 2011, at 19:45, meekerdb wrote: On 10/7/2011 6:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Indeed with comp, or with other everything type of theories, the problem is that such fantasy worlds might be too much