Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. Yes, but this is circular. You're saying that the market cannot work for things that you do not allow to be part

Re: Everything you wanted to know about physics...

2013-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 00:53, LizR wrote: If the universe exists for long enough It has to be virtually infinite, have special homogeneity conditions, and even in that case, I don't see how a Boltzman brain can exist a sufficiently long time to get the deep and linear comp state capable of

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is

Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:41 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Telmo, oil wells went down deeper than previously estimated as feasible. Techniques are evolving. If 2, 0r 5 pipes are inadequate in transport capacity, use more. Ask the engineers - I also claim ignorance. the

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly take your point that there is a reason the

Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes on the mind-body problem

2013-11-18 Thread Roger Clough
Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes are completely different on the relationship between mind and matter See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/#DesSpiLei Spinoza was a monist, who believed that mind and matter were one. Descartes believed that mind and matter are totally different Leibniz

Re: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes on the mind-body problem

2013-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 14:41, Roger Clough wrote: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes are completely different on the relationship between mind and matter See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/#DesSpiLei Spinoza was a monist, who believed that mind and matter were one. Are you sure? It

Re: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes on the mind-body problem

2013-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Nov 2013, at 14:41, Roger Clough wrote: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes are completely different on the relationship between mind and matter See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/#DesSpiLei Spinoza was

Re: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes on the mind-body problem

2013-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 15:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Nov 2013, at 14:41, Roger Clough wrote: Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes are completely different on the relationship between mind and matter See

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-18 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I can think of one thing that could dramatically not just slow but reverse the growth of photovoltaics, removing the tax incentives and subsidies. In effect government has been lying to the free market about the true cost

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: In fact, in the 90s Microsoft wasn't too happy with how the web was suddenly exploding and out of their control. Using their monopolistic position, they created a browser and gave it away for free, then stalled its development. This created a tragedy

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Nov 2013, at 18:13, meekerdb wrote: On 11/18/2013 1:46 AM, LizR wrote: On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If I tried to buy some land and start an independent city, stormtroopers would show up at some point. Even if I'm not harming anyone. Even if I'm totally self-reliant. Depends on what you mean by independent city. If you just mean a place with homes

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But I certainly

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/18 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 11/18/2013 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/17/2013 4:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:41 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2013

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 9:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I can think of one thing that could dramatically not just slow but reverse the growth of photovoltaics, removing the tax incentives and

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread meekerdb
On 11/18/2013 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You seem to be arguing against a straw man here. I explained why the free market can't fix the tragedy of the commons. You haven't answered my point. And he's so concerned with anti-government straw men that he hasn't noticed that a market requires

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread LizR
Please look at this (and tweet / resend it if you agree). http://act.350.org/sign/haiyan Thanks! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-18 Thread LizR
On 18 November 2013 22:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: This is quite simple. Markets ignore the commons, hence a free market solution can't - or is highly unlikely - to work. Yes, but this is circular. You're