Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Alan, my take on these people that never experienced psi phenomena is that they never loved. So we should pity them. It is a very sad situation to live life without having known love. On Monday, 10 June 2019 05:19:03 UTC+3, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > We're not sufficiently evolved to make these

Re: Panpsychism: 3 Reasons Why Our World is Brimming with Sentience

"Proto" = empty word that we just use in order to make fancy theories that don't mean anything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: A purely relational ontology?

Actually, the correct ontological form is "I am red." (excluding the entire emergent structure of the final experience of red) On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:35:41 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > See I red. (yoda for "I see red") > > @philipthrift > -- You received this message because you

Re: A purely relational ontology?

Self-reference is not the same as recursion. I invite you to read my paper "The Self-Referential Aspect of Consciousness", or for the full picture my book "I Am": https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:58:49 UTC+3, telmo wrote: > > self-referentiality /

Re: The religion of AI

Only because you don't have absolute will it doesn't mean you don't have limited will. I see a lot of strawman fallacy around here. On Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:17:06 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > So you can will yourself to experience new qualia? > -- You received this message because you are

Re: for Cosmin

And what has this to do with consciousness ? On Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:40:59 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > For me it boils down to that a theory of everything in which all possible > worlds exist is more plausible than one in which only world does. > > -- You received this message because

Re: The religion of AI

There are lots of ways through which mind evolves. On Friday, 10 May 2019 21:03:45 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > So the mind evolves by rational acts of free will (maybe JKC will explain > what that means) but that free will is limited by "evolution". > > Brent > -- You received this message because

Re: for Cosmin

What does this has to do with the invented idea of "matter" ? On Friday, 10 May 2019 19:30:06 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > I tried astral projection [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection ] and unlike others here > it doesn't work. > > @philipthrift > > -- You received this

Re: for Cosmin

But you are. Just not all the time. On Saturday, 11 May 2019 14:07:13 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > > If your consciousness is not attached to matter (your brain), you should > be able to do this. > > And report back! > > @philipthrift > > -- You received this message because you are

How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ? In the case of consciousness <> AI, telepathy and precognition are more easily explainable, in the sense that consciousness being non-local, it can indeed create cases in which spatially and temporally separated consciousness can

Re: How do AI fanboys explain telepathy and precognition ?

Sorry dude, your ignorance doesn't stand for lack of evidence. There is plenty of evidence. And I will not even bother showing it to a woo woo like you. On Sunday, 12 May 2019 02:18:44 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > My my, this list has started to be dominated by woo woo. There is no >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:27:08 UTC+3, telmo wrote: > > Did you consider that maybe you had recently shared experiences / > conversations / whatever that triggered similar dreams? Or that you woke up > and saw the facebook message before dreaming but don't remember it? Or... > Wow... I like

Re: for Cosmin

What determines red to appear ? On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:25:43 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > They appear in a “perceptual semantics” that Bell (the logician, not the > physicist) has proposed for a special quantum logic. They belong to the > logic of the material modes of the self

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

As I also clearly specified in my post, we don't tell each other dreams on a regular basis. So after years of not telling our dreams, to one day receiving a message from her telling me her dream, don't you find it suspicious ? Oh wait, you don't, the power of rationalization in strong within

Re: Symposium on axioms of consciousness

IIT is just a materialistic fairy-tale. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion

Re: for Cosmin

Oh, now you say ? So what's the difference ? On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:30:53 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Arithmetic (not to be confused with human theories about arithmetic) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Derive here from addition and multiplication the color red. On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:40:43 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 May 2019, at 12:04, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > What about color red ? > > >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I don't understand anything from what you are saying. Probably you are just too smart that few people can understand you. I hope that is the case, and not the second option in which you just randomly say fancy words just to impress people. On Friday, 17 May 2019 21:36:50 UTC+3,

Re: Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ?

On Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:55:29 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Did you? Have you not heard of synesthesia? > > That is of course a case of cosciousness unification. "Processing" means forming memories and drawing conclusions about action > (including not taking action). Mere measuring or

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

You lie to yourself calling it "coincidence". = Only because you want social status and in your worldview, being a "rational materialist" is what gives people social status. Unfortunately, for lucid people you are just a irational dogmatic believer, so you have 0 social status. On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Telepathy happens when you interact with people in real life. Do you interact with people ? On Monday, 20 May 2019 14:02:15 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > telepathy is usually not even well defined, and I see no evidences > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: for Cosmin

They are synonymous. Look at Berkeley or Locke to see how they use the word "idea". That's where also "idealism" comes from. On Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:11:50 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 May 2019, at 13:00, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >

Re: for Cosmin

Why ? On Friday, 10 May 2019 10:12:10 UTC+3, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Consciousnesses need something (matter) to hang on to. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

Re: The religion of AI

Evolution. On Thursday, 9 May 2019 23:19:31 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > OK, what limits it? physics? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: The religion of AI

Since evolution is the evolution of consciousness, I wasn't programmed, but consciousness by itself solved new and never before seen problems without anyone telling her what to do. On Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:06:39 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > They are programmed in specific ways for

Re: The religion of AI

No. By rationality. On Wednesday, 8 May 2019 23:06:34 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > By random variation with selection. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: for Cosmin

Why are you idealist ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: The religion of AI

Of course. Decisions which are taken using free will. On Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:01:42 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Rationality is a property of decision processes. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: for Cosmin

Derive red from there. On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:18:01 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > We accept the arithmetical reality (we postulate “2+2=4” & Co., and > derive experience and ideas from there. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

If Higgs Boson were real, it should be *very very* easy to show it. So show it to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Of course they are real as breathing. Only because you lie to yourself when you have a telepathy, it doesn't mean that it wasn't telepathy. In the same way when you are ugly and girls don't want you, it doesn't matter if you lie to yourself telling that girls cannot see your remarkable

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

What about color red ? On Friday, 17 May 2019 21:36:50 UTC+3, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > > With mechanism, what exists are the numbers. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: for Cosmin

How does "matter" (which is just an idea in consciousness) provides grounding for anything ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Telepathy doesn't happen necessarily at will. It only happens when certain conditions are being met. Asking someone to produce telepathy on the spot is like asking him to produce Higgs Boson on the spot. So let's do like this: you produce me a Higgs Boson, and I'll produce you a telepathy. If

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Ok, I'll give you 1 billiard balls to collide. See if you obtain at least 1 Higgs Boson. If you obtain at least 1, I will believe you that Higgs Bosons exist. On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 11:27:59 UTC+3, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Ok, let's have you 1 trials... on these 1 trials, you

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Where did I say such a thing ? Copy-paste please and show me where I said. On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 13:01:03 UTC+3, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > If telepathy is as hard to get a higgs statistics *it is not easy and > common*, that's your assertion that telepathy is easy and common not mine. > --

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

uld see it, gravity is obvious, gravity is > easy to show. > > > Telepathies are reported by 7 billion people all the time, including me, > so they are not anecdotal. They are like breathing. > > If it is like breathing *it is fucking easy to show then*, show us. > &g

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

When it occurs it is obvious that it occurred. One such example from my life. I once had a girlfriend from India (I'm from Romania). We met for few weeks in India, and after some months after meeting, I had a dream of traveling with her in Italy and there was a party on the streets with food

Re: for Cosmin

No, you shouldn't. In the same way that you cannot pass the borders of other countries. Not because there is a "physical" wall there, but because other consciousnesses don't allow you. Is the same for more intimate limitations of your own consciousness: other consciousnesses (that you cannot

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

It is real like breathing, not easy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

And for Bruno, I wonder how the telepathic "radio waves" emitted by such a poor emitter such as the brain, traveled all this distance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Maybe I should have mentioned: not any interaction with people, but special ones. Like for example: Did you ever have a girlfriend ? On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:34:27 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 May 2019, at 14:29, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@g

Re: Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ?

Did you understand what I just wrote ? On Saturday, 18 May 2019 01:45:25 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/17/2019 2:25 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Are AI fanboys aware of the fact that consciousness is a unity ? For > > example, hearing something an

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

In a test in which people are asked to "guess" 1 in 4 pictures, the results are 32% instead of 25%. Telepathy is not only real, but is obviously real. Sorry mate, you need to change your beliefs. On Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:26:57 UTC+3, howardmarks wrote: > > You have a belief that precognition

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Randi is a charlatan. He (and the people the cite him) has no understanding whatsoever about how science works. He wants from people to do instant magic. But that's not how science works. Even the CERN scientists are making billions of collisions in order to obtain 1 Higgs boson. If it were

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technology" and the "motivation" existed at the moment of their occurrence. Actually, it seems that the conditions required for paranormal phenomena are being met way more often that the conditions required for Moon landing. So, it appears that

The anecdote of Moon landing

I heard there are a couple of people that claim they've been on the Moon. I asked them to prove it to me by going again, but they said they cannot do it. What do you think ? Is this anecdote true ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Sorry mate, your ignorance doesn't stand for lack of evidence. http://deanradin.com/evidence/evidence.htm On Monday, 20 May 2019 15:37:41 UTC+3, howardmarks wrote: > > Your definition of telepathy is not part of reality, when no evidence > exists, no matter how hard one searches for evidence of

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

See ? That's the problem with you irrational materialist dogmatic believers. Even if people gives you evidence, you keep continue yelling "EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE!". Maybe you should consult a psychiatrist or something. You cannot have dialogues with irrational broken records. -- You received this

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

refusing to see this ? On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:32:40 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 1:15 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > > >> > >> *> The duck-rabbit image shows a lot of profound thin

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

All your answers are answered by the duck-rabbit image, because it contains the entire manifestation of consciousness, in the same way that the double-slit contains the entire manifestation of QM. So if you don't understand duck-rabbit, you don't understand anything. On Tuesday, 30 April 2019

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

You are behaving like a 5 years old. Pathetic. On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:28:08 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:52 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > *> All your answers are answered by the duck-rabbit image,* >> > > But you've taught me so

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

You are again attacking a strawman. Only because we cannot create everything, it doesn't mean we cannot create anything. Some things are indeed under our controls. On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 20:32:40 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > *> it means you have the ability to create reality.* >> > > Then

Re: for Cosmin

I am curious. Are you aware of Husserl writings about time ? If so, then how can you believe in the "physical time" when Husserl showed clearly that you have extended temporal periods in consciousness outside of the physical time ? And this is because time in consciousness is not a succession

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Aren't you going to answer the things about duck-rabbit image ? You are left with no arguments and instead of accepting the truth, you just go someplace else to preach your religion ? On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:54:48 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:31 AM Bruno Marchal

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

You are just showing a collection of pictures that are generated based on certain pre-established rules by human consciousnesses. If computers are so super-duper, why don't you show me a picture with a new colors invented by a computer ? You are so naive that you forget that that system is

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Since I am a holly spirit and you are a lost soul, it is my duty to bring you on the right path. The duck-rabbit image shows a lot of profound things. But since you have no understanding of consciousness whatsoever, you cannot go at this moment in all the depths and beauty that duck-rabbit

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Oh, so now you praise yourself for believing in object permanence ? Pfff... you are going down with each post. Even QM showed by Bell's inequalities that there are no objective properties until measurement. What will be your next move ? Finally coming out as a believer in Santa Claus ? On

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

I had the impression that we are discussing about the nature of reality here, not about how to pay bills. On Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:22:11 UTC+3, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Brain is what neurosurgeons get paid to work on and what neuroscientists > study. It may all be maya, an illusion, but

Re: for Cosmin

You cannot invalidate the fact that consciousness is all there is, because for any fact X that you assume that you discover, that X is a thought in consciousness. Evolution is the evolution of consciousness - I don't see where I borrow anything from materialist ideas. Evolution is deducible

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Then there is nothing more to talk about. You cannot talk with someone that lacks the basic understandings in a field. Is like talking to a blind person about how to jump over obstacles without touching them, and he will continue to repeat that you need to touch them, otherwise how would you

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:50:17 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Ok, so how does it appear ? > > > Like this (you're getting kind of dense). > You don't really understand the question, do you ?

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

In case you still don't understand, let me give you another helping hand: If you give to a computer the duck-rabbit image, what it will "see" ? On Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:29:51 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > > I did and I still don't see your point. Yes computers can make observation > -- You

A short and straight to the point speech of Donald Haffman that the brain does not exist

A short and straight to the point speech of Donald Haffman that the brain does not exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEXbZ3gIkAE -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: for Cosmin

Then how is the physical world in which you believe manifesting ? On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 22:50:08 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Who said I believe in physical time? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe

Re: for Cosmin

You said by denying my obvious statement that consciousness is all there is. On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:41:48 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Who says I believe in a physical world? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: A short and straight to the point speech of Donald Haffman that the brain does not exist

*Donald Hoffman. This group should allow editing for at least 5 minutes after posting. On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:11:09 UTC+3, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > A short and straight to the point speech of Donald Haffman that the brain > does not exist: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEXbZ3gIkAE >

Re: for Cosmin

Not at all. As I already told you, for any claim of the form "X exists" (where in this case you assume X is something outside consciousness), "X exists" is actually a thought in consciousness, therefore X doesn't exist since it is just a confabulation of consciousness. More than this, from

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

What is the difference ? Basically, what is the difference between this machine: and this machine:

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 12:15:37 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Apr 2019, at 15:50, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > Semantics means meaning, and meaning is something that exists in > consciousness. > > &g

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

As Donald Hoffman says, to take things seriously doesn't mean to take them literally. You take the tiger seriously because you need to survive, in the same way you don't put the blue folder on your computer screen on the recycle bin. Not because there is actually there a blue folder that get

Re: A short and straight to the point speech of Donald Haffman that the brain does not exist

You certainly demonstrated that you are acting like a disrespectful frustrated teenager that instead of trying to understand what people say, start to make fun of them. My conversation with you ends here. Grow up! On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 02:31:51 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 30,

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

tional response to any criticism.?? Only "It > doesn't exist" and unsupported assertions about what can't be true. > > Brent > > On 4/30/2019 12:15 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Well... if you want to do words-play, you can word-play all day long as

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

There are different ways of arriving at the shape of my foot in the mud: 1) I step in the mud. 2) I make a super-duper complicated AI that does pattern recognition and plays Chess and make him sculpt the shape of my foot in the mud. 3) I personally using my own consciousness sculpt the shape

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

"Computation" doesn't exist. It is an observer-relative concept. Stepping in mud and letting your footprint there is computation if you want. Throwing a ball into the air is computation if you want. It computes the function H = ut - 1/2 gt2 I don't understand why you keep believing so easily in

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Whaaa... so magic happens. Santa Claus has been born! And it was so simple... just add a line of code and pufff... the object becomes alive. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )つ──☆*:・ﾟ On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:55:09 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/29/2019 11:35 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everythin

Re: for Cosmin

Well, I invite you to formalize red in whatever logic you want, and then work your magic for blind people and make them see red solely by understanding your formalisation. Good luck! On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:37:01 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > I know you will not do it, but formalising in

Re: for Cosmin

On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:37:01 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Apr 2019, at 18:11, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On Monday, 29 April 2019 17:03:53 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >&

Re: for Cosmin

Since the theory is correct, it cannot be invalidated. On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:17:48 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > Unless you can say what kind of fact you could discover that would > invalidate your theory, it's a hard no for me. > > -- You received this message because you are

Re: Does all computation generate heat?

t; > On 5/1/2019 2:24 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > "Computation" doesn't exist. It is an observer-relative concept. > > > So is "qualia". > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everythi

Re: for Cosmin

Besides, you are attacking here a strawman. 1) Not only my consciousness exists, but others as well. 2) Those other consciousnesses can be anything, not only demons and angels. The type of consciousnesses that exist are constrained at least in part by evolutionary context. 3) The interaction of

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

No, this is the mistake that you make. You confuse artificial entities with natural entities. In an artificial entities the functional parts that they contain are 100% knowable by us, because it is us who put them there in the first place. On the other hand, in a natural entity, the functional

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Is it even possible to physical implement your "machine" ? If so, can you elaborate on it ? What is it about the "physical world" that would allow your "machine" to be "physically" implemented ? On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:53:54 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > When I talk about digital

Re: for Cosmin

You are confusing people that have by default the instinct to kill with the reasons that those people invoke to make their killing instincts noble. Long

Re: for Cosmin

As I already told you: interactions are not random: they are taking place in an evolutionary context. On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 20:14:39 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > I'm saying that it's indistinguishable from one that does. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: for Cosmin

Talking about consciousness itself is a post-hoc statement. Even formulating the sentence "Consciousness is all there is." is a post-hoc statement that is created out of words that are highly contingent entities. So where do you draw the line between what is admitted to be considered "first

Re: for Cosmin

And if that's how reality is, that God wills it, what is the problem ? On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:45:02 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Exactly: "God wills it". Peace out homey > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

How is a computer conscious ? Magic ? Are you even aware of the Chinese Room argument ? Are you even aware of what the phenomenon of Understanding is about ? Are you aware that consciousnesses work by Understanding ? Namely bringing new qualia into existence out of nothing ? Are you aware that

Re: for Cosmin

It's late here and I'm going to sleep. But I will add just one point. As I mentioned earlier, the definition that I'm giving for "existence" is the looking-back-at-itself of self-reference, through which self-reference finds objects in itself and identifies with those objects. "Existence" is

Re: for Cosmin

So indeed, only consciousness exists. But there "are" other entities that are unformalizable that have effects on existing entities. Is not a contradiction what I'm saying. Is just how reality is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: for Cosmin

@Terren, you left out without arguments and you start to insult people ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

There is no definition for such a thing. It is just a non-sensical concept. It's as if stepping in the mud and saying: "Look! The mud information processed the shape of my foot! The mud is so intelligent! He must have rights!!!" On Monday, 29 April 2019 15:27:26 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >

Re: for Cosmin

Saying such a thing is not even understanding what the concept of time means. I highly recommend you my paper "The Quale of Time" where I prove beyond doubts that there is no "physical time": https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan The task is not only of idealism of deducting

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

Semantics means meaning, and meaning is something that exists in consciousness. You cannot use that for any "programming". On Monday, 29 April 2019 16:16:49 UTC+3, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On "Consciousness is not in the processing, but in truth, or in the > semantic related to that

Re: for Cosmin

On Friday, 26 April 2019 21:06:11 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > But some consciousness is poison. I could die just by breathing too much > carbon monoxide. Funny thing about carbon monoxide is it has no qualia I > can detect. That's why I need a carbon monoxide detector in my house. > I

Re: for Cosmin

Every moment of our lives is a moment of creation. So miracles happen all the time. On Friday, 26 April 2019 22:36:49 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > And then a miracle happened, he explained. > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: for Cosmin

You can't know what those people are seeing. On Friday, 26 April 2019 23:14:56 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2019 10:12 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > And what I argue for in the book is that if you are to see only 2 > > colors, those 2 colo

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Computations are observer-relative. Thoughts are observer-absolutes. On Friday, 26 April 2019 22:09:20 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > They are enough to explain any universe in which conscious thoughts are > computations.?? > > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Well, then I invite Bruno to go and claim his Nobel prize, because this is a knowledge that definitely worths a Nobel prize. On Friday, 26 April 2019 21:07:22 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > Or people that know things you don't.?? Which is sad since you'll not > learn anything. > > Brent > -- You

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Saturday, 27 April 2019 01:38:08 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:36 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > >> >> *> I am a consciousness with free will. * >> > > Tell me what in hell "free will" is supposed to mean and I'll tell you if > I

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