RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread John M
To the quote of Lee's remark: I would try Vernumft (which may as well be similarly inaccurate for 'consciousness'). There were some German speaking souls(!) who used it quite effectively G. I try for'mind':the mentality aspect of the living complexity which says not much more if 'mentality' is

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread Lee Corbin
Aditya writes [LC]: Well, Russell did also say that OMs and events seemed to him about as alike as chalk and cheese. It's starting to look that way: So, alas, it seems that the firmly established meanings of event and observer moment can't really be said to be at all the same thing.

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread John M
--- Lee Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell writes John M. wrote To Russell's 4 coordinates of (any?) event: how come the occurrence (event!) of a 'good idea' in my mind - (mind: not a thing, not a place, not time-restricted) should have t,x,y,z coordinates?

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, Le 01-août-05, à 16:57, John M a écrit : Also simulating menatlity from computer expressions seems reversing the fact that in comp (AI etc.) the computer science attempts to simulate certain and very limited items we already discovered from our mind. Except that since Turing,

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-08-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John M: snip:) To Searle's book-title: it implies that we already HAVE discovered what the 'mind' is. Well, we did not. At least not to the satisfaction of the advanced thinking community. John M I think the name was a play the name of another book The discovery of the mind by Bruno

Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Lee Corbin
Russell submits the following as clarifications: An event is a particular set of coordinates (t,x,y,z) in 4D spacetime. This is how it is used in GR, anyway. An observer moment is a set of constraints, or equivalently information known about the world (obviously at a moment of time). It

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 02:00:30PM -0700, John M wrote: I salute Lee's new subject designation. I believe if we are up to identifying concepts with common sense content as well, we should not restrict ourselves into the model-distinctions of (any) physics but generalize the meanings beyond

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Lee Corbin
Russell writes John M. wrote I believe if we are up to identifying concepts with common sense content as well, we should not restrict ourselves into the model-distinctions of (any) physics but generalize the meanings beyond such restrictions. I agree: that is, so long as we can

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jul 31, 2005 at 08:09:46PM -0700, Lee Corbin wrote: Interesting note about mind: there is no German language equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when employing it. Sarcastic comment about the possibility of Teutonic zombies elided. I am surprised about that!

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lee wrote: Interesting note about mind: there is no German language equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when employing it. Sarcastic comment about the possibility of Teutonic zombies elided. In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, What is Thought? by Eric Baum, the author

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Lee wrote:] Interesting note about mind: there is no German language equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when employing it. Sarcastic comment about the possibility of Teutonic zombies elided. In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, What is Thought? by Eric Baum, the

RE: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Lee wrote:] Interesting note about mind: there is no German language equivalent for it. Another reason to be *very* careful when employing it. Sarcastic comment about the possibility of Teutonic zombies elided. In a very deep (but non-mathematical) book, What is Thought? by Eric Baum, the

Re: Clarification of Terms (was RE: What We Can Know About the World)

2005-07-31 Thread Aditya Varun Chadha
[LC]: Well, Russell did also say that OMs and events seemed to him about as alike as chalk and cheese. It's starting to look that way: So, alas, it seems that the firmly established meanings of event and observer moment can't really be said to be at all the same thing. (Folks like Russell