Dual Aspect Science

2009-04-03 Thread Colin Hales
Hi folks, I am finally getting somewhere. My paper has just been published. : Hales, C. 'Dual Aspect Science', Journal of Consciousness Studies vol. 16, no. 2-3, 2009. 30-73. Under dual aspect science exploration and deliverables take on two fundamental forms: Laws-of-appear

RE: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-18 Thread Colin Hales
Scientists are part of the natural world, like elephants. Scientific behaviour, like elephant behaviour, has invariants across the entire set of scientific disciplines (humanity) as for elephanity(!) = elephants behaving elephantly. Not many invariants, but a few. One of those is creativity, for e

RE: Dual-Aspect Science ooops

2006-08-17 Thread Colin Hales
> I don't think there is a problem with science, but only with some > scientist (and alas with those who are often more refer too in > popularization). > > Actually I don't believe in any scientific field. I believe only in > scientific attitude, which is almost just modesty, along with > curiosi

RE: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-17 Thread Colin Hales
> I don't think there is a problem with science, but only with some > scientist (and alas with those who are often more refer too in > popularization). > > Actually I don't believe in any scientific field. I believe only in > scientific attitude, which is almost just modesty, along with > curiosi

RE: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-17 Thread Colin Hales
. This idea predicts 'real' virtual bosons generated at the membrane of neurons and astrocytes, orthogonal to the membrane, with appearance that is private (imprinted on the space around the membrane (of which there is a LOT - see above). The collective action of the blizzard of v

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-17 Thread 1Z
so has the property of delivering appearances of itself to us > > within which is > > regularity that can be captured mathematically, with no residue, so > > that > > everything is full expressible in mathematical, structural and > > relational > > terms. (ie elimina

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 17-août-06, à 00:17, Colin Geoffrey Hales a écrit : > I'm after a real practical > outcome. A recognition that science is mis-structured and we have to > change. And sooner rather than later! > I don't think there is a problem with science, but only with some scientist (and alas with those

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-16 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
ed mathematically. > > This is a combination of two claims: > > 2a) The universe is a structure properly-so-called of which we are a > part and > which also has the property of delivering appearances of itself to us > within which is > regularity that can be captured mathematic

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-août-06, à 21:09, David Nyman a écrit : > > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> 1), 2), 3), 4) are theorem in the comp theory. Note that the >> zero-person "point of view" will appear also to be unnameable. Names >> emerges through the third person pint of view. > > I'm beginning to see that, unname

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-16 Thread 1Z
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > LZ: > > > > > > Colin Hales wrote: > > > > > > >>The underlying structure unifies the whole > >> system. Of course you'll get some impact via the causality of the > structurevia the deep structure right down into the very fabric of > space. > >> In a very real wa

RE: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Hales
2) The universe is a structure of which we are a part and which also has the property of delivering appearances of itself to us within which is regularity that can be captured mathematically as empirical laws. By considering universes of structure capable of delivering appearances we can then insist t

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
LZ: > > > Colin Hales wrote: > > >>The underlying structure unifies the whole >> system. Of course you'll get some impact via the causality of the structurevia the deep structure right down into the very fabric of space. >> In a very real way the existence of 'mysterious observer dependence'

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
rds 'associative memory'. You can literally replace the word 'metaphor' for perception. The former has no intrinsic experiential qualities (until recall) and the latter literally is experiential quality. This includes all scientific laws. Scientific laws correlate appearances

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread David Nyman
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > Perspectival Ubiquity > From the perspective of any one instance of S(.) within the structure, no > matter how huge and complex it is, there is a 'perspective' view of any > other point in the structure. That 'view' is the view that is 'as-if' you > walked all the wa

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-15 Thread David Nyman
Bruno Marchal wrote: > 1), 2), 3), 4) are theorem in the comp theory. Note that the > zero-person "point of view" will appear also to be unnameable. Names > emerges through the third person pint of view. I'm beginning to see that, unnameability apart, it's the 'indexicality' of the zero-person p

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread 1Z
Colin Hales wrote: > Think about it...When you put the scientist back inside the picture, the > measurement process (qualia) that literally are qualia is directly causally > linked to the appearance you get! The scientist has never been separate in that sense. The question is *how* qualia are c

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 14-août-06, à 01:04, David Nyman a écrit : > There is another aspect, which I've been musing about again since my > most recent exchanges with Peter. This is that if one is to take > seriously (and I do) 'structural' or 'block' views such as MWI, it > seems to me that whatever is behaving 'pe

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
David Nyman: > > Colin Hales wrote: > >> There is no dualism here. The simplest solution is a monism of a posited >> structural primitive, say, S(.). The universe is a structure of organised >> S(.). One type and one type only. The structure itself is simply and necessarily a hierarchically organi

Re: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread David Nyman
starting point is: given these experiences, 'from what experiential perspective would the situation look, feel, sound, taste, smell, like this?' And the answer always seems to be 'from the point of view of the universe, delimited by these information horizons.' This for me is the

RE: Dual-Aspect Science

2006-08-15 Thread Colin Hales
David Nyman: > Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > > > ASIDE, for the record, dual aspect science (from the previous post). I) > > APPEARANCE ASPECT. Depictions (statistics) of regularity (correlations > of > > agreed 'objects' within) in appearances > > I

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-13 Thread David Nyman
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > ASIDE, for the record, dual aspect science (from the previous post). I) > APPEARANCE ASPECT. Depictions (statistics) of regularity (correlations of > agreed 'objects' within) in appearances > II) STRUCTURE ASPECT. Depictions (Statisti

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-13 Thread David Nyman
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > ASIDE, for the record, dual aspect science (from the previous post). I) > APPEARANCE ASPECT. Depictions (statistics) of regularity (correlations of > agreed 'objects' within) in appearances > II) STRUCTURE ASPECT. Depictions (Statisti

Re: Dual-Aspect Science (a spawn of the roadmap)

2006-08-12 Thread Colin Geoffrey Hales
dynamism, and hence can do nothing to help explain it. > ======== ASIDE, for the record, dual aspect science (from the previous post). I) APPEARANCE ASPECT. Depictions (statistics) of regularity (correlations of agreed 'objects' within) in appeara