Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-11 Thread John M
show up (e.g. the calf with 5 feet: it was eaten by the wolf before copulating age). - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox

RE: Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes writes: My mutation story is based on interactive responses to the ceaseless changes of the rest of the world producing variations in offsprings. Some more compatible than others. The variations with more 'fitness'(?) will proliferate more abundantly so they are the

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
I certainly didn't mean this as a criticism. I remember when I was8 or 9years old, reading about how animals developed this or that physical characteristic in order to cope with a particular environment. This was in the context of a discussion about evolutionary theory, but I didn't get it

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
Brent, Faith usually refers to some belief independent of evidence. I guess we have a serious problem of terminology. Faith without evidence is bad faith or perhaps better blind faith. I was meaning faith in truth. (Although faith in your 1-self works also in my setting). I cannot define

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-08 Thread Pete Carlton
On Jul 6, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:Destroying your species runs counter to evolution. I'll rephrase that: everything that happens in nature is by definition in accordance with evolution, but those species that destroy themselves will die out, while those species that don't

RE: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-08 Thread Danny Mayes
Bringing this thread back to the original subject, I am currently reading Lonely Planets by David Grinspoon which covers all aspects of astrobiology including Fermi's Paradox. I recommend it. Bruno, you mentioned a few days ago that encryption or compression was an interesting thought, but you

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Destroying your species runs counter to evolution. That doesn't mean it can't happen - it only means you weren't the dominant species. I'll rephrase that: everything that happens in nature is by definition in accordance with evolution, but those species that

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
intelligent enough, and evolved enough, it figures out how to make A-bombs and other WMDs.  Then it may exterminate itself or, as you suggested, use up the raw materials accessible to it - and this explains Fermi's Paradox. Hope they are less fatalist speculations about that ... But, given

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-juil.-06, à 07:38, Norman Samish a écrit : Anyway, all this is beside the point I wanted to make, which is that True Believers, whether Muslim, Christian, or heathen, cause harm, destruction or misfortune, and are therefore evil. I am not so sure. Perhaps

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread John M
accessible to it�- and this explains Fermi's Paradox. Hope they are less fatalist speculations about that ... But, given the few we know, perhaps you are right. I guess other explanations are still possible yet. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal

RE: Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread John M
--- Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Destroying your species runs counter to evolution. Stathis, 'evolution' does not follow good manners and may not be chisled in stone, I for one identified it (in my narrative) as the entire history of the unioverse from its appearance till its

RE: Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
p the raw materials accessible to it- and this explains Fermi's Paradox. Norman --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To uns

Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-05 Thread Norman Samish
We can all agree, I think, that many among us humans are irrational. What's more, many are obsessed with killing others who don't agree with them. The Conquistadors who killed the Aztecs and Incas because God wished it so and the radical Muslims who kill the infidels because God wishes it so

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Norman Samish wrote: We can all agree, I think, that many among us humans are irrational. What's more, many are obsessed with killing others who don't agree with them. The Conquistadors who killed the Aztecs and Incas because God wished it so They subjugated the Aztecs and Inca for king

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-05 Thread Norman Samish
this: Is this evil inevitable in intelligent life? I suspect it is. And when life gets intelligent enough, and evolved enough, it figures out how to make A-bombs and other WMDs. Then it may exterminate itself or, as you suggested, use up the raw materials accessible to it- and this expl