Leibniz, Leibniz, Leibniz.... oh, and did I mention Leibniz? Oh, yah, and monads and monism.

2013-08-02 Thread Pierz
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Leibniz, Leibniz, Leibniz.... oh, and did I mention Leibniz? Oh, yah, and monads and monism.

2013-08-01 Thread freqflyer07281972
if you do believe that, you might go to hell anyway, if you are a jew or a liberal. Gee, I sure do love Leibniz. Remember, Leibniz, Monads, Monism, and Jews and liberals are bad. Oh, and God is great and he exists and everything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2012, at 21:38, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2012 1:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If the boson of Higgs exists, by law, it *must* be retrievable from addition and multiplication If comp is true and the argument that everything (arithmetical) is realized holds. I am not sure what

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 20:38 Stephen P. King said the following: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss Hi Stephen, Recently I have read Karin Knorr Cetina, Epistemic Cultures: How the Sciences Make Knowledge This

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: I profoundly disagree. What was found was a curve when the raw data was graphed in a particular way. There is no proof that this curve is uniquely representational of some particle. The article certainly

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/12/2012 3:36 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.07.2012 20:38 Stephen P. King said the following: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss Hi Stephen, Recently I have read Karin Knorr Cetina, Epistemic

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2012 12:55 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: I profoundly disagree. What was found was a curve when the raw data was graphed in a particular way. There is no proof that this curve

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jul 2012, at 20:38, Stephen P. King wrote: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss -- Given the complexity of the experimental device, we can be sure that e have to wait before having any reasonnable

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jul 2012, at 22:28, John Mikes wrote: Stephen, a 'belief system' may be reassuring. I spent a lifetime in active RD exercising conventional science, till I lost by belief in many figments of it. It came gradually like one's losing a religious faith: trying to THINK 'outside the box'

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Jul 2012, at 23:33, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi John, What I have been doing is exploring the soft underbelly of physics, those sets of truths that are just assumed to be true. For example, I have become convinced that a lot of the difficulties in physics are due to its

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Noon Silk
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: [...] Also, we could say that the discovery of the Higgs boson, if confirmed, is disappointing, as it only confirms the theory, and so we learn nothing (to think in the Deustch's manner). This is wrong. Of course in

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2012, at 10:12, Noon Silk wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: [...] Also, we could say that the discovery of the Higgs boson, if confirmed, is disappointing, as it only confirms the theory, and so we learn nothing (to think in the

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/11/2012 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jul 2012, at 20:38, Stephen P. King wrote: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss -- Given the complexity of the experimental device, we can be sure that e

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread smitra
Citeren Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net: On 7/11/2012 4:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jul 2012, at 20:38, Stephen P. King wrote: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss -- Given the complexity of

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread John Clark
A new particle has certainly been found and in the unlikely event it is not the Higgs the response of most physicists would not be oh, no but pure delight because then it is something unexpected and even more exotic than the Higgs helping us find new knowledge. If 15 years from now the LHC finds

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 7/11/2012 1:50 PM, John Clark wrote: A new particle has certainly been found and in the unlikely event it is not the Higgs the response of most physicists would not be oh, no but pure delight because then it is something unexpected and even more exotic than the Higgs helping us find new

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread meekerdb
On 7/11/2012 1:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If the boson of Higgs exists, by law, it *must* be retrievable from addition and multiplication If comp is true and the argument that everything (arithmetical) is realized holds. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread meekerdb
On 7/11/2012 1:12 AM, Noon Silk wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: [...] Also, we could say that the discovery of the Higgs boson, if confirmed, is disappointing, as it only confirms the theory, and so we learn nothing (to think in the

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-11 Thread meekerdb
On 7/11/2012 11:14 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/11/2012 1:50 PM, John Clark wrote: A new particle has certainly been found and in the unlikely event it is not the Higgs the response of most physicists would not be oh, no but pure delight because then it is something unexpected and even more

Oh no!

2012-07-10 Thread Stephen P. King
Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss -- Onward! Stephen Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-10 Thread John Mikes
Stephen, a 'belief system' may be reassuring. I spent a lifetime in active RD exercising conventional science, till I lost by belief in many figments of it. It came gradually like one's losing a religious faith: trying to THINK 'outside the box' and getting nowhere. (First reflection: I am poorly

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-10 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi John, What I have been doing is exploring the soft underbelly of physics, those sets of truths that are just assumed to be true. For example, I have become convinced that a lot of the difficulties in physics are due to its assumption that substance is primitive. There is even an entire