Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

2013/9/3 meekerdb > On 9/3/2013 6:14 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > >> Yes, that's also my favorite way of thinking about this, you are >> precisely that what you experience at any one time, and that may well >> include memories of the past. >> >> What was discussed earlier in this thread about de

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 9/3/2013 6:14 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Yes, that's also my favorite way of thinking about this, you are precisely that what you experience at any one time, and that may well include memories of the past. What was discussed earlier in this thread about decoherence, is only revelevant to e

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Yes, that's also my favorite way of thinking about this, you are precisely that what you experience at any one time, and that may well include memories of the past. What was discussed earlier in this thread about decoherence, is only revelevant to explaining why you don't get macroscopic manif

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Given that we are elements that might belong to multiple sequences, there is no fact of the matter as to which sequence we belong to. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Dennis Ochei wrote: > Yes, exactly. > > > But then there are no "experiencers"... > > I prefer to say that experiencers are their

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Yes, exactly. > But then there are no "experiencers"... I prefer to say that experiencers are their experiences than to say there are no experiencers (I'm explaining my phrasing more than anything) On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: > You mean experiences are purely qualitative

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

You mean experiences are purely qualitative, so there cannot be two identical experiences rather, if identical they must be one (by Leibniz's identity of indiscernibles) and not two. But then there are no "experiencers", only sequences of experiences which may have some unifying property and wh

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

"Qualitatively identical experiencers are also numerically identical" is how i sum this position up On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:39:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 8/14/2013 7:48 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > > Citeren Russell Standish >: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700,

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:07:05PM -0700, meekerdb wrote: > > But it seems to me that this reset is a magical, impossible > operation. If the human brain is a classical computer then that > means it's computational state can be reset. But it also means the > its physical state can't be reset. Th

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

2013/8/21 meekerdb > On 8/21/2013 3:57 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2013/8/21 meekerdb > >> On 8/20/2013 5:26 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >> >>> Citeren meekerdb : >>> >>> On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > Citeren meekerdb : > > On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, sm

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/21/2013 3:57 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/8/21 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 8/20/2013 5:26 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren Quentin Anciaux : 2013/8/21 meekerdb On 8/20/2013 5:26 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

2013/8/21 meekerdb > On 8/20/2013 5:26 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > >> Citeren meekerdb : >> >> On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >>> Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > >> Citeren meekerdb : >> >> On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM,

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/20/2013 5:26 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to b

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren meekerdb : On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all p

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/16/2013 4:57 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all purely classical - so

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren meekerdb : On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all purely classical - so I don't see how MWI enters at all. The probab

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/15/2013 6:18 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all purely classical - so I don't see how MWI enters at all. The probabilities are just igno

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all purely classical - so I don't see how MWI enters at all. The probabilities are just ignorance uncertainty. You're still in the same b

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Yes my understanding would be the same. Although the brain or computer's ability to correctly represent the information about what has happened has been destroyed by the reset, the information itself is still embedded in the environment. Resetting registers in a computer does not actually destr

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/14/2013 6:41 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: I guess I don't understand that. You seem to be considering a simple case of amnesia - all purely classical - so I don't see how MWI enters at all. The probabilities are just ignorance uncertainty. You're still in the same branch of the MWI, you

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 4:43 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 7:48 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren Russell Standish : On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/14/2013 4:43 PM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 7:48 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren Russell Standish : On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the *past*. I remember h

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren meekerdb : On 8/14/2013 7:48 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren Russell Standish : On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the *past*. I remember having read or heard that the past itself is su

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On 8/14/2013 7:48 AM, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: Citeren Russell Standish : On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the *past*. I remember having read or heard that the past itself is subject to quantum uncer

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

Citeren Russell Standish : On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the *past*. I remember having read or heard that the past itself is subject to quantum uncertainty. Something like the idea that the past i

Re: Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 05:26:41PM -0700, Pierz wrote: > I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining > the *past*. I remember having read or heard that the past itself is subject > to quantum uncertainty. Something like the idea that the past is determined > only to

Question for the QM experts here: quantum uncertainty of the past

I need clarification of the significance of quantum theory to determining the *past*. I remember having read or heard that the past itself is subject to quantum uncertainty. Something like the idea that the past is determined only to to the extent that it is forced to be so by the state of the