Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-22 Thread Stephen P. King 

Hi John,

I have well functioning delete and spam filter buttons that I can 
use if things get out of hand on my end. ;-)


On 8/22/2012 3:23 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Stephen, my stance as well on (even controversial) argumentation. 
HOWEVER (isn't one everywhere?)
the 'advancement' one achieves by certain explanations might 'color' 
one's own ideas into shades unwanted. If you read a well formulated 
argument it inevitably sticks in your mind and later is hard to 
separate. A reason why most religious people cannot accept logical 
(scientific) refutation and fall back into old meme superstition.
I appreciate Roger's knowledgeability in ancient (mostly idealistic) 
theories but his fundamental color is biblical FAITH. I know him from 
another (nonreligious) list, where I asked the moderator to curtail 
the amount of those overwhelmingly religious postings - and he did.
Roger is still on, but hiding some of his true colors (mostly). (A 
reason why I refrained from responding to his posts. I want to keep 
friendly to that other list, too.)
You are absolutely right about the topical invigorating by the deluge 
of posts - add to it that Roger starts from a one-sided position 
only. Most discussions on the Everything list are also one-sided, but 
as in the past - from ANOTHER side. (Bruno is close to faithfulness, 
not a formal religion though, but his mind-body is close to a 'soul' 
belief.)
I used to be a Catholic, then reincarnationalistic (Ouija-board fan), 
now I can't include into my ongoing worldview /(agnosticism, based on 
the 'infinite complexity', - to us  unknowable in toto)/ WHAT may 
remain after death of our (human? with trillion microbial biomes) 
complexity that is destroyed - reshaped */AS a memory of ourselves/*.
Which part would 'remember' and 'respond' to a destroyed complexity 
(us) after "we are gone"? - Surviving parts MAY connect to different 
complexities and 'live'(?) as such.

It is a pity that Adam and Eve are not 'real'.
And do not forget my distinction for the physical world (as we pretend 
to know it): *a figment of _yesterday's_ stance*.

Leibnitz etc.? I respect those oldies of those (their) times.
Best to you
John

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Stephen P. King 
mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:


On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote:

Dear Roger,
(re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your
immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills
etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy
by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based
mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working
ensemble of the list - on other grounds.
The participants on this list are strong minds and well
established, you have little chance to convert them - although
some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which
may be a definitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the
majority is closer to your own belief system. YET:
Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your
posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!
Please, consider this a friendly remark.
John Mikes


Dear John,

I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken
out of our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have
already helped be make some great advances in my own work. ;-)




On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:

Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger


I /(am?)/ glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)

Brent
"Shut up he explained."
--- Ring Lardner



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Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-22 Thread John Mikes 
In this case: my apologies
JM

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Roger Clough  wrote:

>  Hi John Mikes
>
> Somebody else on this list must have written that sour remark.
> It wasn't I.
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 8/22/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
> everything could function."
>
>  - Receiving the following content -
> *From:* John Mikes 
> *Receiver:* everything-list 
> *Time:* 2012-08-21, 11:02:33
>  *Subject:* Re: Stephen and Bruno
>
>   Dear Roger,
> �
> (re:燘rent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense
> educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this
> list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better
> distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and
> decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds.
> �
> The爌articipants on this list are strong minds and well established, you
> have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into
> close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a燿efinitional problem (e.g.
> Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
>  You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the
> majority is closer to your own belief system. YET:
> Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting
> fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!
> Please, consider this a friendly remark.
> John Mikes
>
>  On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb  wrote:
>
>>  On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruno and Stephen
>>
>> I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.
>>
>> Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
>> post!  Why are you so wrong.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up.� :-)
>>
>> Brent
>> "Shut up he explained."
>> 牋� --- Ring Lardner
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Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-22 Thread John Mikes 
Stephen, my stance as well on (even controversial) argumentation. HOWEVER
(isn't one everywhere?)
the 'advancement' one achieves by certain explanations might 'color' one's
own ideas into shades unwanted. If you read a well formulated argument it
inevitably sticks in your mind and later is hard to separate. A reason why
most religious people cannot accept logical (scientific) refutation and
fall back into old meme superstition.

I appreciate Roger's knowledgeability in ancient (mostly idealistic)
theories but his fundamental color is biblical FAITH. I know him from
another (nonreligious) list, where I asked the moderator to curtail the
amount of those overwhelmingly religious postings - and he did.
Roger is still on, but hiding some of his true colors (mostly). (A reason
why I refrained from responding to his posts. I want to keep friendly to
that other list, too.)

You are absolutely right about the topical invigorating by the deluge of
posts - add to it that Roger starts from a one-sided position only. Most
discussions on the Everything list are also one-sided, but as in the past -
from ANOTHER side. (Bruno is close to faithfulness, not a formal religion
though, but his mind-body is close to a 'soul' belief.)

I used to be a Catholic, then reincarnationalistic (Ouija-board fan), now I
can't include into my ongoing worldview *(agnosticism, based on the
'infinite complexity', - to us  unknowable in toto)* WHAT may remain after
death of our (human? with trillion microbial biomes) complexity that is
destroyed - reshaped *AS a memory of ourselves*.
Which part would 'remember' and 'respond' to a destroyed complexity (us)
after "we are gone"? - Surviving parts MAY connect to different
complexities and 'live'(?) as such.
It is a pity that Adam and Eve are not 'real'.

And do not forget my distinction for the physical world (as we pretend to
know it): *a figment of yesterday's stance*.
Leibnitz etc.? I respect those oldies of those (their) times.

Best to you
John

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:

>  On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote:
>
> Dear Roger,
>
> (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense
> educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this
> list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better
> distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and
> decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds.
>
> The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you
> have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into
> close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem
> (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
> You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority
> is closer to your own belief system. YET:
> Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting
> fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!
> Please, consider this a friendly remark.
> John Mikes
>
>
> Dear John,
>
> I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of
> our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be
> make some great advances in my own work. ;-)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb  wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruno and Stephen
>>
>> I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.
>>
>> Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
>> post!  Why are you so wrong.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)
>>
>> Brent
>> "Shut up he explained."
>> --- Ring Lardner
>>
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Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-22 Thread Roger Clough 
Hi John Mikes 

Somebody else on this list must have written that sour remark.
It wasn't I.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
8/22/2012 
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything 
could function."
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Subject: Re: Stephen and Bruno


Dear Roger,
?
(re:?rent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense 
educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list 
now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) 
religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long 
working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. 
?
The?articipants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have 
little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into 
close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a?efinitional problem (e.g. 
Bruno's theology and god, etc.). 
You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is 
closer to your own belief system. YET:
Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor 
is taking over our list. Have mercy!
Please, consider this a friendly remark.
John Mikes


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb  wrote:

On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: 
Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger


I (am?) glad Roger cleared that up.? :-)

Brent
"Shut up he explained."
?? --- Ring Lardner


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Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-21 Thread Jason Resch 
Note that the original poster in this thread is using a gmail.com address,
rather than the true Roger's verizon.net address.

Jason

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:

>  On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote:
>
> Dear Roger,
>
> (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense
> educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this
> list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better
> distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and
> decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds.
>
> The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you
> have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into
> close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem
> (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
> You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority
> is closer to your own belief system. YET:
> Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting
> fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!
> Please, consider this a friendly remark.
> John Mikes
>
>
> Dear John,
>
> I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of
> our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be
> make some great advances in my own work. ;-)
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb  wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruno and Stephen
>>
>> I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.
>>
>> Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
>> post!  Why are you so wrong.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>  I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)
>>
>> Brent
>> "Shut up he explained."
>> --- Ring Lardner
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Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-21 Thread Stephen P. King 

On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote:

Dear Roger,
(re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your 
immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 
'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I 
wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. 
the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - 
on other grounds.
The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, 
you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger 
into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional 
problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the 
majority is closer to your own belief system. YET:
Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your 
posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!

Please, consider this a friendly remark.
John Mikes


Dear John,

I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of 
our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be 
make some great advances in my own work. ;-)




On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb > wrote:


On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:

Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger


I /(am?)/ glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)

Brent
"Shut up he explained."
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Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-21 Thread John Mikes 
Dear Roger,

(re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense
educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this
list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better
distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and
decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds.

The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you
have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into
close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem
(e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.).
You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority
is closer to your own belief system. YET:
Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting
fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy!
Please, consider this a friendly remark.
John Mikes

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb  wrote:

> On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:
>
> Hi Bruno and Stephen
>
> I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.
>
> Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
> post!  Why are you so wrong.
>
> Roger
>
>
> I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)
>
> Brent
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Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-21 Thread Roger Clough 
Hi meekerdb 

It wasn't me. Someone else here posted that statement (that Bruno and Stephen 
say everything wrongly).


Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: 
Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger


I glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)

Brent
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Re: Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-20 Thread meekerdb 

On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote:

Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger


I glad Roger cleared that up.  :-)

Brent
"Shut up he explained."
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Stephen and Bruno

2012-08-20 Thread Roger 
Hi Bruno and Stephen

I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings.

Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you
post!  Why are you so wrong.

Roger

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