Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:14, meekerdb wrote: On 10/26/2012 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We m

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread meekerdb
On 10/26/2012 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving c

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 19:54, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/25/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity with

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 07:10, meekerdb wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in Africa, and they *are* humans. And we igno

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 12:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If w

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Oct 2012, at 03:59, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for instan

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:01:44 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/24/2012 10:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4,

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 2:01 AM, meekerdb wrote: To me, there is no chalkboard world. It's all dusty and flat. Not much sexy going on, except maybe for beaten erasers. To you maybe, but what about the chalk-people's qualia. Brent Good question! We can ask the same question of mathematical entities!

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 10:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: O

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:29:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughte

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 10:19 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:10:24 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which >> are pretty smart >> as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in >> Africa, an

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 9:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Or what if we don't care? We don't care about slaughtering cattle, which are pretty smart as computers go. We manage not to think about starving children in Africa, and they *are* humans. And we ignore the looming disasters of

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:54:52 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 10/24/2012 6:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in > which Comp is > > true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking > the presume

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 6:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for instance, Com

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:05:40 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in > > which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity > > withou

Re: What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in > which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity > without evoking the presumed associated experience. > > If we wanted to test a new painkiller

What If A Zombie Is What You Need?

2012-10-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
If we turn the Fading Qualia argument around, what we get is a world in which Comp is true and it is impossible to simulate cellular activity without evoking the presumed associated experience. If we wanted to test a new painkiller for instance, Comp=true means that it is *IMPOSSIBLE* to model