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> From: Stathis Papaioannou [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:16 PM
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> Subject: RE: Many Pasts? Not according to QM...
>
> Jonathan Colvin writes:
>
> [quoting Stathis Papaioannou]:
> >
Le 09-juin-05, à 08:55, Jonathan Colvin a écrit :
(a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is heads,
you will be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
(b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the copies
will be tortured, and the other 9 will not be tortured.
By your
Le 08-juin-05, à 21:54, Jonathan Colvin a écrit :
Jonathan Colvin: Beyond the empathetic rationale, I don't see any
convincing argument
for favoring the copy over a stranger. The copy is not, after
all, *me*
(although it once was). We ceased being the same person the moment we
were copied
Le 09-juin-05, à 01:19, Jonathan Colvin a écrit :
I don't believe in observers, if by "observer" one means to assign
special
ontological status to mental states over any other arrangement of
matter.
I don't believe in matters, if by "matters" one means to assign special
ontological statu
"Stathis Papaioannou" wrote:
Subjectively, there is *always* a one to one correspondence between an
earlier and a later version, even though from a third person perspective
the relationship may appear to be one to many, many to many, or many to
one. This is in part why reasoning as if observ
Jonathan Colvin writes:
> You are offered two choices:
>
> (a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is heads,
> you will be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
>
> (b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the copies
> will be tortured, and the other 9 will not be tort
Stathis wrote:
> > > You are offered two choices:
> > >
> > > (a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is heads, you
> > > will be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
> > >
> > > (b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the
> copies will be
> > > tortured, and the oth
Bruno wrote:
> > I don't believe in observers, if by "observer" one means to assign
> > special ontological status to mental states over any other
> arrangement
> > of matter.
> I don't believe in matters, if by "matters" one means to
> assign special ontological status to some substance, by w
Bruno wrote:
> >>> Jonathan Colvin: Beyond the empathetic rationale, I don't see any
> > convincing argument
> >>> for favoring the copy over a stranger. The copy is not, after
> >> all, *me*
> >>> (although it once was). We ceased being the same person
> the moment
> >>> we were copied and star
I was working on an essay on the nature of thought experiments about
copying, but it got bogged down, so I will make this short. I am trying
to analyze it based on evolutionary considerations. Copying is much like
biological reproduction and we can expect many of the same effects in
a society in
Bruno wrote:
> >> (a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is
> heads, you will
> >> be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
> >>
> >> (b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the
> copies will be
> >> tortured, and the other 9 will not be tortured.
> >>
> >> By your
You are arguing that it is possible to have an absolute measure for
each observer moment, as well as a relative measure on the transitions
between observer moments. Of course this is correct.
However, the ASSA and the RSSA are more than that. The SS stands for
self sampling, ie the principle that
Jonathan Colvin wrote: "If I take a loaf of bread, chop it half, put one
half in one room and one half in the other, and then ask the question "where
is the loaf of bread?", we can likely agree that the question is ill-posed."
Depending on definitions, this may indeed be an ill-posed question.
Brent Meeker wrote (accidentally offlist):
> >From: "Hal Finney" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Copying is such a bonus that it swamps consideration of quality of life.
> >In a world where people have adapted to copying, they would work as
> >hard to make a copy as they would in our world to avoid dy
Russell Standish wrote:
You are arguing that it is possible to have an absolute measure for
each observer moment, as well as a relative measure on the transitions
between observer moments. Of course this is correct.
However, the ASSA and the RSSA are more than that. The SS stands for
self samp
Jonathan Colvin writes:
> > > You are offered two choices:
> > >
> > > (a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is heads, you
> > > will be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
> > >
> > > (b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the
> copies will be
> > > tortured, an
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:35:42PM -0400, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> Russell Standish wrote:
>
> >
> >You are arguing that it is possible to have an absolute measure for
> >each observer moment, as well as a relative measure on the transitions
> >between observer moments. Of course this is correct.
> >
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 04:09:15PM -0700, Norman Samish wrote:
>
> Here's a variation. Is my interpretation correct?
>
> Suppose we take ten apparently identical ball bearings and put stickers on
> each with the identifiers "1" through "10." We leave the room where the
> balls with stickers a
Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:35:42PM -0400, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> Russell Standish wrote:
>
> >
> >You are arguing that it is possible to have an absolute measure for
> >each observer moment, as well as a relative measure on the transitions
> >between observer moments. Of c
I'm new to this so I haven't read about all your people's different
theories. I've read quite a bit on transhumanist stuff, Aubrey DeGrey,
Freeman Dyson, ... it seems people are trying anything they can imagine,
and expanding into what they can't imagine, to look for immortality. Now
if c
> > > > > You are offered two choices:
> > > > >
> > > > > (a) A coin will be flipped tomorrow. If the result is
> heads, you
> > > > > will be tortured; if tails, you will not be tortured.
> > > > >
> > > > > (b) You will be copied 10 times tomorrow. One of the
> > > copies will be
> > > > > to
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